Replacement for dive computer

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:01:52 +0000, Lee Bell wrote:

> Neither actually. The fact is, a lot of UK divers use mixed gas, and/or
> do dives that include gas switches and reasonably long decompression ,
> even when accelerated with a high PPO2 mix. There aren't a lot of
> computers

No they don't. A small minority of UK divers use gas. A lot don't do any
decompression and many people still regard 35m as a deep dive. Accelerated
deco is also practised by few. This group is not very representative.

Most UK divers use computers, usually Suuntos or Aladins. Personally I
think the new Suuntos are too conservative. The old ones were reasonable.
Something like an Aladin Pro Nitrox is reasonable if you don't think
you're go to want more than one mix of nitrox. Most people don't.

Personally I use a Cochran Commander Nitrox. Never had any problems with
it. It's done almost 300 dives. Batteries cost peanuts.

Jason

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In article <bu1uco$s3u$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>,
Cliff Coggin <clifford@ccoggin.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Jim :o)" <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:l72dnRc6Ev18-5ndSa8jmA@karoo.co.uk...
>
>> >
>> Gordon, Lee & Zak unqualified wankers. If I'd have wanted to hear from
>> arseholes I could have asked my buddies to fart in unison.
>
>If this represents the quality of your contributions to this NG, perhaps you
>should consider joining your buddies permanently. You will not be missed.

Hear hear.

Gordon (Author of DDPLAN in-case you missed that bit, and also someone
who has been diving with DDPLAN tables for several years now. Laminated,
they work without batteries and are always to-hand for diving in the
0-100m range)

"Gordon Henderson" <gordon@unicorn.drogon.net> wrote in message
news:bu21eg$cam$1@unicorn.drogon.net...
> In article <bu1uco$s3u$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> Cliff Coggin <clifford@ccoggin.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >"Jim :o)" <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:l72dnRc6Ev18-5ndSa8jmA@karoo.co.uk...
> >
> >> >
> >> Gordon, Lee & Zak unqualified wankers. If I'd have wanted to hear from
> >> arseholes I could have asked my buddies to fart in unison.
> >
> >If this represents the quality of your contributions to this NG, perhaps
you
> >should consider joining your buddies permanently. You will not be missed.
>
> Hear hear.
>
> Gordon (Author of DDPLAN in-case you missed that bit, and also someone
> who has been diving with DDPLAN tables for several years now. Laminated,
> they work without batteries and are always to-hand for diving in the
> 0-100m range)

Is this the plan you mean:

If you do not fully understand what DDPLAN is doing then DO NOT USE DDPLAN
to help you plan your dives. Even if you do use DDPLAN, there are no
guarantees that you'll survive intact.

If you are prepared to accept responsibilities for your own actions then DO
NOT use DDPLAN on it's own, but use it in conjunction with other proven
methods of dive planning. Use it as one tool of many in your dive planning
and preparation process.

If you are not willing to accept responsibility for your own actions then do
not use DDPLAN.

Very reassuring.(Irony) Thank you for the suggestion but I would like to
feel a little bit more assured than that, a little scary to be told that are
no guarantees that you'll survive intact.

"Jim :o)" <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2q6dnRDR8usqEZndSa8jmA@karoo.co.uk...
>> Very reassuring.(Irony) Thank you for the suggestion but I would like to
> feel a little bit more assured than that, a little scary to be told that
are
> no guarantees that you'll survive intact.

Obviously your vast experience and exposure to computers/software has shown
you that all of them warrant that you will not get bent. You'll see in the
manuals that they all say they're great for deco diving too :)

PS. You might find yourself amongst like minded individuals on rec.scuba
PPS. Deco Dice has some origins, you might want to do research...

PPPS (last one honest)... a wise man once said "it is better to let others
think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm that assumption"


/Zak

Jim wrote:
> Gordon, Lee & Zak unqualified wankers. If I'd have wanted to hear from
> arseholes I could have asked my buddies to fart in unison.

*plonk*

Al.

"Jim :o)" wrote

> Very reassuring.(Irony) Thank you for the suggestion but I would like to
> feel a little bit more assured than that, a little scary to be told that
are
> no guarantees that you'll survive intact.

That's what lawyers will for you, make you paranoid enough to include
warnings like the one you mentioned. While it's probably not as extensive,
I think you'll find something similar in the manual for the computer you had
and any one you get in the future. You're also likely to find a statement
that says the computer is not intended for deco dives except for when you
accidentally exceed your no deco limits.

I don't wish to recommend one deco planning software over another, but I can
tell you that, for anything more than a few minutes of deco, using one as
part of your planning process can make your dives safer. Having said that,
I'm not giving up my Oceanic computers any time soon.

Lee

"Jim :o)" <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:l72dnRc6Ev18-


> Gordon, Lee & Zak unqualified w*******. If I'd have wanted to hear from
> a******** I could have asked my buddies to f*** in unison.
>
> Thanks to others who might give me an answer which is representative of
the
> knowledgably and experienced users of this NG.
>

Welcome to Usenet!!

Say Hi to Scuba Bobby when you get to the killfile.

Jim :o\) <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> writes:

>Very reassuring.(Irony) Thank you for the suggestion but I would like to
>feel a little bit more assured than that, a little scary to be told that are
>no guarantees that you'll survive intact.

What makes you think that using a commercial product is going
to be any different, or come with any more guarantees? They just chose
to use small print rather than large print.

No computer will guarantee that you are at zero risk of DCS. No
computer manufacturer will assume liability for your safety: that
responsibility rests with you and you alone.

Even if you use a computer, having an understanding of the shape of
deco curves, ongassing and offgassing rates, tissue models and so on
will make you more able to interpret what the computer is telling you,
and may even get you out of a difficult situation.

If that's not what you want to hear, too bad. You asked for advice from
experienced divers, and you got it.

If you're looking for something cheap, I have an Aladin Pro Nitrox which
needs a battery. Make me an offer.

Pete

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Jim :o) wrote:

> Very reassuring.(Irony) Thank you for the suggestion but I would like to
> feel a little bit more assured than that, a little scary to be told that are
> no guarantees that you'll survive intact.

I reccomend you take up golf, Jim. It doesn't sound like you're prepared
to assess the risks of diving and as such you'd be safer out of the water.

- Keith

"Jim :o\)" <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ZoKdnQXe0cDrFJndSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk

> Stupid and childish remarks I can get anywhere, good advice on diving
> equipment can only be got from fellow divers.

Sorry, but you are on the free version of uk.rec.scuba here. If you
want our good advice then you have to pay the subscription fee.

Cheers,
Huw
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