Replacement for dive computer

> My old Oceanic XTC100 has finally given up the ghost, what would be it's
> likely successor.

Never heard of a XTC100. Assuming it's suitable for non-deco diving and
that that's the diving you do then I'd go for a cheap sunnto, probably a
nitrox one as they seem most useful. If you do deco diving then I get
whatever the top of the range sunnto currently is. In either case I'd
forget the air integration as it's just not needed.

If you've ClosedCircuit or may be soon, or if you likely to go deeper than
40m, then I'd consider a VR3. It can be bought basic and then upgraded.
Money should not be the object, though!

If you want cheap then I'd buy a Uwatec DTimer and get Gordon's DDPlan for
free. Probably the best combination for square profile & multilevel dives.
You'll need a slate or a laminator too.

Hopefully that helps.

Cheers
Matt.

Answering the original question....

I've used Suunto computers for almost all my dives (max 35/40,
occasional Nitrox, no deco) and found them to be a little more
conservative than others, but they use the RGBM model devloped by
Bruce Weinke (from what I'm told, a respected developer of deco
algorithms and supplier of deco tables to WKPP and GI3) and I like the
way that the information is displayed during a dive. I like the fact
they're conservative, and I've got on well with mine (Suunto Stinger
and then a Suunto Vytec after the Stinger was nicked).


"Jim :o\)" <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<bNCcnTf4UtIdvZndSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk>...
> My old Oceanic XTC100 has finally given up the ghost, what would be it's
> likely successor.
>
> Your suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> TIA
> Jim

"Jim :o\)" <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ZoKdnQXe0cDrFJndSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk

> I simply asked for a little advice, I asked nicely and with good
> manners

And you got it.

You asked "what would be it's likely successor."

Given the number of people here who *do* use laminated tables made with
DDPlan, it's entirely reasonable to propose that as a likely successor.

Moreover, it's a course of action I could warmly recommend.

So getting shirty because someone gave you some good advice that you
didn't like isn't entirely constructive, is it?

Vic.


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ahar.

Is there any evidence that the 'suunto rgbm' is anything like Weike's RBGM
which is being programmed into GAP etc/

The only evidence I can offer is that have dived a vytec for a couple of
years and have never got a deep stop (I generate them myself ).

If i'm diving a 40 metre dive GF 35/80 or similar, my first stop (air
diving) may be 18 metres and the vytec is 7m. (no different than I would
expect out of my 1990 aladin / BSAC tables

Tony Jay






"ahar" <aharries@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Answering the original question....
>
> I've used Suunto computers for almost all my dives (max 35/40,
> occasional Nitrox, no deco) and found them to be a little more
> conservative than others, but they use the RGBM model devloped by
> Bruce Weinke (from what I'm told, a respected developer of deco
> algorithms and supplier of deco tables to WKPP and GI3) and I like the
> way that the information is displayed during a dive. I like the fact
> they're conservative, and I've got on well with mine (Suunto Stinger
> and then a Suunto Vytec after the Stinger was nicked).
>
>
> "Jim :o\)" <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:<bNCcnTf4UtIdvZndSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk>...
> > My old Oceanic XTC100 has finally given up the ghost, what would be it's
> > likely successor.
> >
> > Your suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
> > TIA
> > Jim

"Jim :o)" <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ZoKdnQXe0cDrFJndSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk...
>
>
> "Cliff Coggin" <clifford@ccoggin.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:bu1uco$s3u$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "Jim :o)" <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:l72dnRc6Ev18-5ndSa8jmA@karoo.co.uk...
> >
> > > >
> > > Gordon, Lee & Zak unqualified wankers. If I'd have wanted to hear from
> > > arseholes I could have asked my buddies to fart in unison.
> >
> > If this represents the quality of your contributions to this NG, perhaps
> you
> > should consider joining your buddies permanently. You will not be
missed.
> >
> > Cliff.
> >
>
> Oh another one with nothing constructive to add..now where did you come
from
> and why did you decide to join in?..

As a matter of fact I have been here for the past four years. How many
contributions have you made to uk.rec.scuba in that time?

> I simply asked for a little advice, I asked nicely and with good manners

Indeed you did initially, but as soon as you got three replies you took
exception to, (two serious and the other frivolous but hardly malicious,)
all semblance of manners were, like the toys from your pram, thrown out.

> expecting that if a reader had nothing to add then they would add
nothing.

Then your expectations were wrong. This group is open to all who feel,
rightly or wrongly, they have something to contribute. Unfortunately it is
even open to the personal castigation of yours that I quoted above.

> I know that the divers who use this NG are very experienced and well
> informed.and I was asking advice from the people I consider to be experts.

You asked for advice, and you got it. You are free to evaluate any advice
given, ask for justification, and even argue against if you choose, but
simply objecting to the proffered advice is no excuse for the comments you
made.

> Stupid and childish remarks I can get anywhere, good advice on diving
> equipment can only be got from fellow divers.

The only "stupid and childish remarks" up to now have made been solely by
yourself. If you had maintained the reasonable attitude of your first
posting you would have been welcomed and received a plethora of advice. As
things stand, my perception of you as a newcomer to the group is of a
spiteful, foul mouthed fool. If you want that perception to change you will
need to show considerably more maturity in the way you present yourself in
public.

> Sorry Cliff but you are out of order.

Naturally I disagree, but if you don't understand why I disagree by now,
then it is pointless continuing this discussion.

> But just in case you missed my original post this is it

No I didn't miss it. I can have no opinion on the matter unless you specify
what sort of diving you expect to use the computer for.

Cliff.

"Tony Jay" <Tony.Jay@nospam.bsac.com> wrote in message
news:100agkbf8vir672@corp.supernews.com...
> ahar.
>
> Is there any evidence that the 'suunto rgbm' is anything like Weike's RBGM
> which is being programmed into GAP etc/

does it claim to be i was under the impression it was a modified RGBM model,
in that it made you do slow (ish) ascents
it penalises you for fast ascents with stops but not deep stops as far as i
know can't remember what my vytec gave for 50m dives, was using GAP

> The only evidence I can offer is that have dived a vytec for a couple of
> years and have never got a deep stop (I generate them myself ).
>
> If i'm diving a 40 metre dive GF 35/80 or similar, my first stop (air
> diving) may be 18 metres and the vytec is 7m. (no different than I would
> expect out of my 1990 aladin / BSAC tables
>
> Tony Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "ahar" <aharries@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cb436014.0401140247.35c20d57@posting.google.c om...
> > Answering the original question....
> >
> > I've used Suunto computers for almost all my dives (max 35/40,
> > occasional Nitrox, no deco) and found them to be a little more
> > conservative than others, but they use the RGBM model devloped by
> > Bruce Weinke (from what I'm told, a respected developer of deco
> > algorithms and supplier of deco tables to WKPP and GI3) and I like the
> > way that the information is displayed during a dive. I like the fact
> > they're conservative, and I've got on well with mine (Suunto Stinger
> > and then a Suunto Vytec after the Stinger was nicked).
> >
> >
> > "Jim :o\)" <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<bNCcnTf4UtIdvZndSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk>...
> > > My old Oceanic XTC100 has finally given up the ghost, what would be
it's
> > > likely successor.
> > >
> > > Your suggestions would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > Jim
>
>

> does it claim to be i was under the impression it was a modified RGBM
model,
> in that it made you do slow (ish) ascents
> it penalises you for fast ascents with stops but not deep stops as far as
i
> know can't remember what my vytec gave for 50m dives, was using GAP

I've never had any stops below 6m, but yeah it certainly penalises for fast
ascents / descents / bounces.
Tip - when you're practicing controlled bouyant lifts, make sure your buddy
is paying complete attention during the buddy check as to whcih is inflate
and whcih is deflate! My buddy holding onto the inflate as we ascended
getting faster and faster wasn't at all healthy, despite my own efforts to
dump! My Vyper decided to give me 4 min of mandatory stops, which didn't do
down well when you're supposed to be doing relatively fast rescue and
tows... :o\ Got a very interesting profile for that dive :O)

David

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:59:15 +0000, beanie wrote:

> does it claim to be i was under the impression it was a modified RGBM model,
> in that it made you do slow (ish) ascents
> it penalises you for fast ascents with stops but not deep stops as far as i
> know can't remember what my vytec gave for 50m dives, was using GAP

It seems to penalise you for getting it wet. I did several dives last year
with a buddy with a Vyper. I had my Cochran set to 2% conservatism. When I
had 5 minutes of stops, they had about 15 minutes. And my stops would
clear deeper too, so after doing a few deep stops on the way up, I'd have
even less deco to do.

It may incorporate RGBM but what conservatism have they put in?

Jason

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:20:49 +0000 (UTC), "Vic" <vic@innocent.com>
wrote:

>"Jim :o\)" <foj@grizedale.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:ZoKdnQXe0cDrFJndSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk
>
>> I simply asked for a little advice, I asked nicely and with good
>> manners
>
>And you got it.
>
>You asked "what would be it's likely successor."
>
>Given the number of people here who *do* use laminated tables made with
>DDPlan, it's entirely reasonable to propose that as a likely successor.
>

Sorry Vic but I must disagree with you here.
Using laminated tables should be purely a back-up and if ... IF... you
are doing a lot of diving and want to be in the water the maximum
amount of time each dive I would recommend a computer..
Remember tables work on square profile dives, few dives are exactly
that and if max bottom time is your priority then use a computer.
Carry your tables as a backup and expect "mostly" to do extra stops or
less bottom time.
I do not detract from the safety of tables, the battery does not go
flat it does not say "err" and lock up, the depth does not suddenly
start "Yo -Yoing" while you are on the bottom,,,,,,,,,but in general
you get less dive/bottom time with tables.
Which is what we are here for.


>Moreover, it's a course of action I could warmly recommend.
>
>So getting shirty because someone gave you some good advice that you
>didn't like isn't entirely constructive, is it?
>
>Vic.
No but he perceived it as flaming, not that I know anything about
that.


p.s. what bastard of a day, 7 C water temp, 56 mins water time,
blowing a gale at times and hailstones when I was on the surface. suit
fkin leak at inflate and then spent two hours finishing off rest of
work chilling down.
Who would be an aquapaddy??

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Steve Barlow wrote:
> p.s. what bastard of a day, 7 C water temp, 56 mins water time,
> blowing a gale at times and hailstones when I was on the surface. suit
> fkin leak at inflate and then spent two hours finishing off rest of
> work chilling down.
> Who would be an aquapaddy??

At least you have an excuse.
We have to pretend we're always enjoying it as we just do it for fun .

nigelH