Inflators

Vic <vic@innocent.com> writes:

>Where's the buggering about? Take breath from reg, blow it into wing.

I'd probably do it this way, but I'm surprised to see someone from the
Yellow side advocating it. In your case, isn't it more like take a
breath from the mouthpiece, close it, find wing inflator, breath into
it, put mouthpiece in mouth, open it, breath, fart about re-inflating
the counterlung, lather rinse repeat?

Pete

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> If you have problems connecting and disconnecting hoses then you need to
get
> them lubricated. Assuming that you dont drag your gear through the sand
that
> is.

With my current kit (fairly new) I don't have a problem, but i've seen soooo
many people who do have problems with it, it must go from being easy to hard
at some point, and you don't want to discover that point is underwater when
you've just disconnected your drysuit inflator!

I don't dispute the fact that it probably works well most of the time, but
has the potential to put you in more trouble than if you just left it alone.

David

Keith S." <false@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> matts wrote:
> > KS> I don't get it. You take a breath out of your reg, take the reg
out,
> > KS> breath it into your BCD/wing, then put the reg back into your
mouth.
> > KS> Where is there a possibility to swallow seawater?
> >
> > I am crap at dancing too.
>
> Me too, but I have many years practise at breathing.
>
> - Keith
>

KEYBOARD!

CAS
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"CAS" <calumscottTAKETHISBITOUT@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Keith S." <false@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:builvh$hutkl$1@ID-169434.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > matts wrote:
> > > KS> I don't get it. You take a breath out of your reg, take the reg
> out,
> > > KS> breath it into your BCD/wing, then put the reg back into your
> mouth.
> > > KS> Where is there a possibility to swallow seawater?
> > >
> > > I am crap at dancing too.
> >
> > Me too, but I have many years practise at breathing.
> >
> > - Keith
> >
>
> KEYBOARD!
>
has a CAPS lock ?

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>
> > > > I am crap at dancing too.
> > >
> > > Me too, but I have many years practise at breathing.
> > >
> > > - Keith
> > >
> >
> > KEYBOARD!
> >
> has a CAPS lock ?
>
>

At the risk of teaching grannies to suck eggs...

....'tis an exclamation of appreciation of a witticism which, when the timing
of reading coincides with a mouthful of caffeinated beverage, results in the
stickying and sometimes ruination of afore mentioned article as said
beverage exits the body via the nasal passage...

....over the years "HA HA HA HA! You owe me a new keyboard because I laughed
heartily at your post and coffee came down my nose and now my keyboard is
sticky/won't work anymore!" has been abbreviated somewhat to just an
exclamation of "KEYBOARD!"

HTH

CAS

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"Pete Young" <pete@antipope.dot.org> wrote in message
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> I'd probably do it this way, but I'm surprised to see someone from the
> Yellow side advocating it. In your case, isn't it more like take a
> breath from the mouthpiece, close it, find wing inflator, breath into
> it, put mouthpiece in mouth, open it, breath, fart about re-inflating
> the counterlung, lather rinse repeat?

It's very little different from OC really, if you were to try to inflate
the wing orally. But the chances are, you wouldn't - you'd use the
counterlungs for buoyancy.

Vic.


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"Keith S." <false@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Me too, but I have many years practise at breathing.
>
> - Keith

I can run you a PADI distinctive specialty in this if you want;

Advanced breathing, cost £80, duration 1 day

Core skills;

- wrapping monofilament around breathing loop
- Developing eyes bigger than mickey mouse
- Making curious dog like pawing gesture with hands to attract buddys
attention (and subsequent ridicule).

I accept payment in cash... or cash ;)

/Z

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:09:04 +0000, Vic wrote:

>> it may appear a little more daunting ?
>
> It might indeed. Isn't this a good reason to practice such a simple
> skill?

Agreed. It's an essential skill. If your inflator sticks on, you need to
remove it. Then your only source of bouyancy when diving wet is to orally
inflate. The same is true if you've suffered a total gas loss.

In a drysuit, you shouldn't need to use the wing. If you can manage with
just the drysuit, you're screwed if you have a wing failure. It might be a
bit uncomfortable with a lot of tanks, but it should still be possible. In
these circumstances, if possible, you might want to orally inflate the
wing a bit and fine tune your bouyancy with the drysuit.

The only circumstance I can see where I would need to swap inflators is if
I lost my drysuit gas and I had to descend to a point where it would be
painful before exiting the dive. Now I'm sure there's a cave somewhere
like that which is too narrow to allow your buddy to share their suit
inflate, but I doubt I'll ever dive it.

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Zak wrote:

> - wrapping monofilament around breathing loop
> - Developing eyes bigger than mickey mouse
> - Making curious dog like pawing gesture with hands to attract buddys
> attention (and subsequent ridicule).

Is that the attention of the buddy who had disappeared off
somewhere while said person was trying to disentangle themselves
from monofilament trying to pull the mouthpiece out of their mouth?
Oh alright, twas me on a crap vis dive on the City of Waterford :)

- Keith

??>> I find it incredible that someone would bugger about with oral
??>> inflation when they have a perfectly servicable power inflate which
??>> can be crosspatched incredibly simply.

V> Where's the buggering about? Take breath from reg, blow it into wing.
V> Job done. No compromising of a working system (the suit inflate). No
V> issues with getting connectors to mate. I really don't see any
V> difficulty with oral inflation; I see potential problems with patching a
V> suit inflate into a wing - or rather, failing to do so...

V> Please point out the errors in that because I can't see them.

??>> Now what were you sayong about points of view!

V> Sure - provide some substantiation and we'll all be the richer for it.

Well here is a thing. My co-ordination is crap, it has always been crap,
even got a remark in my PE report from school.about just how crap it is. On
the surface when emptying a BC I seem to end up sucking more air out than
blowing it in. I have tried ascents using oral inflation, possibly a dozen
times, yes I managed to ascend the few meters required for the practice
without taking more than a pint of water in. However contemplating making a
protracted ascent (say 50m) using oral inflate does not exactly leave me
feeling confident.

On the other hand my mother has always said I have pianist's fingers, shame
about the coordinaiton I can't play worth a damn. However I do manage the
small fiddley mechanical things pretty well. I have disconnected and
re-connected my DS inflate underwater possibly over a hundred times without
any hassle. I have practiced cross patching my wing a dozen times and
always managed it in less than a minute. I did once have to remove a 5mm
glove though. Similarly a 50m ascent on the wing is something I have
achieved on quite a few occssions and would cause me no anxiety (even on air
LOL).

Your point about the suit inflate being disconnected is possibly not as
important as it seems. Prior to disconnecting I was figuratively stuck
negative to the bottom unable to swim up with the suit. Disconnect the DS
and I am still in the same position. If I then fail to connect to the wing
and re-connect the suit I still have the option to try oral inflate or maybe
winch up a lift bag.

??>> Maybe you could learn that there is not always a right and wrong. If
??>> your stuck and swapped a hose or orally inflated or winched yourself
??>> up a lifting bag to get out the crap, none would be wrong.

V> Absolutely agreed. But to promote hose-swapping in preference to oral
V> inaflation in the absence of any qualification is ludicrous.

Hold on, where exactly have I promoted hose swapping in preference to
anything particularly. I have only said that how you escape is immaterial
and that crosspatching is one method of doing so.

In the context of my reply to you I was pointing out that an individual may
have a legitimate reason for their choice which you can not possibly assess
across the internet. To suggest that you can appears a failure to see
another's point of view. From my long fingered, uncoordinated point of view
cross patching is simple and oral inflation is less simple. Patronising
somone with clever language and terse argument is not going to reduce the
legitimacy of their reason. As TonyL indicates, it is not exactly the
politest form of debate.

??>> You assume the impoliteness has not already scared off people with
??>> something useful to add.

V> If that's so, then they're not around to get offended by anything now,
V> are they?

So when you have scared off all but those that agree with you, are you more
or less likely to learn?

??>> I don't do the ironing in our house. Not because I can't you
??>> understand, but because I can find so many more interesting things to
??>> do.

V> Indeed. But that leaves you on very dodgy ground when it comes to
V> complaining about someone else's ironing.

I would have to give a damn to criticise anyones ironing so I doubt it will
ever happen

??>> P.S. Don't tell her.

V> Wassit worth?

I won't ask her to dance with you

Regards
Matt