Late Icebreaker report

"CAS" <calumscott@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bv0ccd$iii$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
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> "Michael Forster" <admin@muckworld.com> wrote in message
> news:4012e7de@news.userve.net...
> > Sorry this is late, but I have not been that well - and I have had other
> > things going on
> >
> > But finally my icebreaker report is ready, And it even includes a
picture
> of
> > Digs.....
> >
> > http://www.ukrs.muckworld.com
> >
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> >
>
> Mike,
>
> Compress your images, dude! Some of us still use 56k dial ups you know!
>
I will endeavour to shrink the images to smaller more manageable sizes and
provide a link from the pic on the page to the full one.
I must admit I assumed everyone was either on ADSL or Cable

Mike.

Gordon Henderson wrote:

> In article <bos910pcu10r3lvoqk00gg1ev24614qge1@4ax.com>,
> Pete Melbourne <psmvsl@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:21:52 +0000 (UTC), "Nigel Hewitt"
>><nigelh@REMOVETHISnigelhewitt.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Dial-up? Oooh Nostalgia.
>>
>>Unfortunately BT think anyone that does not live in a town does not
>>broadband or is rich enough to go for something like satellite.
>
> You have a choice, and BT are just one of over 150 Broadband ISPs in
> the UK. If you really wnated to, you could form your own little company
> and do it wirelessly... and even if you don't really need broadband, you
> could share an unmetered 128K ISDN line with a few friends or neighbours
> to make it more economical...
>
> Gordon
> (Currently working for a Wireless Broadband ISP!)

Don't most of the broadband ISP's use ADSL or cable though? I know a few
people who would like broadband but can't get it in their area as they do
not have cable or an ADSL enabled exchange. BT will ADSL enable the
exchange if 200+ people request it, thats a lot when you are talking about
small villages/farms.

If you do have a useable broadband solution that would work under these
circumstances I'd be interested to know about it :)

Ping me

Danny

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:15:02 +0000, Danny Burchett <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>Don't most of the broadband ISP's use ADSL or cable though? I know a few
>people who would like broadband but can't get it in their area as they do
>not have cable or an ADSL enabled exchange. BT will ADSL enable the
>exchange if 200+ people request it, thats a lot when you are talking about
>small villages/farms.

Its not just about an ADSL enabled exchange, ours is but its too far
away to be any use as ADSL has a relatively small range (6 or 8 Km I
think), booster stations are expensive and do not help towards targets
of getting every exchange ADSL enabled.

Pete
diving 'at' melbourne 'dot' me 'dot' uk

In article <bv37d6$n553p$1@ID-188750.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Danny Burchett <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>Gordon Henderson wrote:
>
>> Gordon
>> (Currently working for a Wireless Broadband ISP!)
>
>Don't most of the broadband ISP's use ADSL or cable though? I know a few
>people who would like broadband but can't get it in their area as they do
>not have cable or an ADSL enabled exchange. BT will ADSL enable the
>exchange if 200+ people request it, thats a lot when you are talking about
>small villages/farms.

Most do use a (A)DSL product from BT, then there are a few firms who
are putting their own DSL kit into BTs exchanges (Easynet, Bulldog)
then there is Telewest and NTL with cable. No-one wants to dig-up roads
anymore, thats expensive. BT are trialling a wireless solution themselves,
and there are a small handfull of ISPs going down the wireless route.

>If you do have a useable broadband solution that would work under these
>circumstances I'd be interested to know about it :)

I have a usable solution. Using it now and getting up to 6Mb/sec download
speeds.

>Ping me

What with, an ICMP echo-request? Maybe you could email me with your email
address.. The one I use here works.

Gordon

Gordon Henderson wrote:

> In article <bv37d6$n553p$1@ID-188750.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> Danny Burchett <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>Gordon Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> Gordon
>>> (Currently working for a Wireless Broadband ISP!)
>>
>>Don't most of the broadband ISP's use ADSL or cable though? I know a few
>>people who would like broadband but can't get it in their area as they do
>>not have cable or an ADSL enabled exchange. BT will ADSL enable the
>>exchange if 200+ people request it, thats a lot when you are talking about
>>small villages/farms.
>
> Most do use a (A)DSL product from BT, then there are a few firms who
> are putting their own DSL kit into BTs exchanges (Easynet, Bulldog)
> then there is Telewest and NTL with cable. No-one wants to dig-up roads
> anymore, thats expensive. BT are trialling a wireless solution themselves,
> and there are a small handfull of ISPs going down the wireless route.
>
>>If you do have a useable broadband solution that would work under these
>>circumstances I'd be interested to know about it :)
>
> I have a usable solution. Using it now and getting up to 6Mb/sec download
> speeds.
>
>>Ping me
>
> What with, an ICMP echo-request? Maybe you could email me with your email
> address.. The one I use here works.
>
> Gordon

Grrr.... no, not an ICMP echo request, I block those! mail address is in my
footer, however, you have mail ;)

Danny

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:31:10 +0000, Pete Melbourne
<psmvsl@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:15:02 +0000, Danny Burchett <me@privacy.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Don't most of the broadband ISP's use ADSL or cable though? I know a few
>>people who would like broadband but can't get it in their area as they do
>>not have cable or an ADSL enabled exchange. BT will ADSL enable the
>>exchange if 200+ people request it, thats a lot when you are talking about
>>small villages/farms.
>
>Its not just about an ADSL enabled exchange, ours is but its too far
>away to be any use as ADSL has a relatively small range (6 or 8 Km I
>think), booster stations are expensive and do not help towards targets
>of getting every exchange ADSL enabled.
>

Our exchange (Chichester) is ADSL enabled. But I'm too far away from
the exchange by about 1km. This stops me registering my interest on
the BT website, and stops me getting broadband.

I do have 64/128k Home highway, that gives me three lines of which I
can use two at once, and BT tell me that for an extra £10 per month
(Special deal for Home highway users) I can upgrade to midband, where
I would get two lines, of which I could use two at once.

So thats £10 extra, per month, for some software, and one less
line...... Bargain. Oh, and the ability to use both 64k lines at the
same time. I pointed out to the BT sales person that I could click on
a box in XP and do that, and so what was the advantage of midband
software? "Oh!", she said. "Thankyou for your enquiry".

And before some says "call bumping" She said that If I was on at 128k,
incoming calls didn't get through. Only outgoing calls "bumped" the
data line to 64k.

Pete S

"Pete Melbourne" <psmvsl@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:56:10 +0000 (UTC), gordon@unicorn.drogon.net
> (Gordon Henderson) wrote:
>
> >>Unfortunately BT think anyone that does not live in a town does not
> >>broadband or is rich enough to go for something like satellite.
> >
> >You have a choice, and BT are just one of over 150 Broadband ISPs in
> >the UK. If you really wnated to, you could form your own little company
> >and do it wirelessly... and even if you don't really need broadband, you
> >could share an unmetered 128K ISDN line with a few friends or neighbours
> >to make it more economical...
>
> Couple of problems. There may be 150 ISP's but its absolutely no use
> to those who live in an area that BT will not enable ADSL. Also being
> in a village means the cable companies do not want to know.
>
> Thought about doing it wirelessly but still too expensive unless we
> get major buy in from the neighbours which they don't seem too keen on
> doing.
>
> And as for ISDN, currently using unmetered 64K which works OK for me
> and probably gives as much performance as sharing a 128
>
> Hopefully Oftel will force BT into fulfilling the governments promise
> of having the entire UK broadbanded by the end of next year [ some
> hope ]
>
> Don't see why it should be such a problem for BT, NZ telecom have
> managed it and they have a far more wide spread population
>
>
> Pete
> diving 'at' melbourne 'dot' me 'dot' uk

IIRC theres still 3 exchanges to be updated, but yes, even out here ont he
end of a rural line currently pumping a measly 28.8Kbps dialup, If I paid
for an ISDN connection I could be having 256Kbps down the same old copper
twist wires. or if wireless, i could use the IHUG satellite 10Mbps
downstream, that still needs a dialup upstream to the IHUG servers to tell
them what you want downstream from their commsat.

Wellington is the place to be tho... 100Mbps fiber optic cable modem....

rhys