Info please

"ferret" <ferret@cruelmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is
> on the premise that I believe you've already decided that you're going
> to buy one.

Of course he has. You can tell by the way he always used to say "never"


You're next, KL *grin*

Vic.





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Dave Appleby wrote:
> What I was really after was actual experience on the units for
> low hours divers and some info on the ease of information assimilation
> with relation to task loading on the two units. This is something
> I can't get from the manuals.

But almost nobody can do a comparason. Zak ran me over his KISS
and we did dive together once but I only know my own unit.

Task loading is a myth. You look at a thing with numbers on it
and decide if you like them every minute or so. I'm low hours.
I've only used it for just over 1 day so far. But you probably
guessed that from the way I messed about at Icebreakers.

> I'm not looking at Mod 3 diving, I suppose the best example would
> be something like the M2 or it's ilk. Say 30-35m (ish) with about
> a 60 min runtime.

Can I come? Please. I like the M2.

nigelH

In article <0777d685cc3efdc468fc9763395b5894.122971@mygate.ma ilgate.org>,
Dave Appleby <dave_appleby@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Has anyone some comparison data between the Insp / Evo and the
>KISS. I think they're the main in use in the UK although
>someone will tell me I've missed something major.

I presume you mean the Evolution when you say "Evo"? Well - just think
of it as a smaller Inspiration, with a single handset rather than 2 big
clunky ones. It's still got 2 controllers, just one handset. Oh, and a
head-up display (LED) thing. You can have it supplied with either a wing
or a stab-jacket sort of thing too IIRC. It has an on-board D-Timer which
is upgradable to a Nitrox dive computer and Trimix in stages. I'm not
sure off-hand what its scrubber life is, but it'll be more than enough
for a Trimix dive to 60m - you'll just have to change it more often
than the Inspirations.

It costs more than the Inspiration though, but that reflects an extra
5 years development and testing time.

I've had my unit for over 5 years now. I wouldn't go back to OC!

Gordon

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:57:53 +0000, Vic wrote:

> You're next, KL *grin*

What about me?

Jason

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Jason wrote:
> Vic wrote:
>
>> You're next, KL *grin*
>
> What about me?

We'll do the hard one's first. We'll get back to you.

<grin>

nigelH

"Dave Appleby" <dave_appleby@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<0777d685cc3efdc468fc9763395b5894.122971@myga te.mailgate.org>...

>
> Opinions please from the players in particular Gordon, Keith S and as
> new users Rob, Digs and Al also anyone who's only got a short time < 100
> hrs on the KISS.
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> DaveA


My take on the inspiration:

If you've dived with a backplate, harness and wing for any length of
time, then it's hard to adjust to all the frontal clutter. I have
medium counterlungs, and I find them the wrong shape for someone of my
size. Make dure you get the right size lungs for you. I know a lot
of people who would like to swap large for medium, I've not heard of
anyone the other way around.

Maintenance is easy, task loading negligable.

If I had it to do again I'd probably get a KISS, although I would have
to try one first, as I'm not sure about way it breathes compared to
the ybod.

For shallower UK diving (say 30M ish) I'd honestly rather dive twin
sevens OC, slack water ain't really long enough to get the best from
the extended available dive time, and deco never did bother me.

Haven't tried to take it abroad yet, but just thinking about the
hassle factor makes my head ache. Personally I'm going to commit a
heinous crime, and say that my prefernece would be to select OC or CC
dependant on the dive.

Digs

Digger wrote:

> If I had it to do again I'd probably get a KISS, although I would have
> to try one first, as I'm not sure about way it breathes compared to
> the ybod.

You're welcome to try mine sometime if you like, if you bring
the sofnolime.

- Keith

"Keith S." <false@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<_DdUb.17285$YV1.3812@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>...
> Digger wrote:
>
> > If I had it to do again I'd probably get a KISS, although I would have
> > to try one first, as I'm not sure about way it breathes compared to
> > the ybod.
>
> You're welcome to try mine sometime if you like, if you bring
> the sofnolime.
>
> - Keith


thanks Keith

will have to see if we are in the same area anytime near some
appropriate water. It's time's like this when living a couple of
hundred miles away from you lot is a real bind.

incidentally, does anyone know what the swap rate Kiss to ybod and
vice versa has been?

Digs

On 5 Feb 2004 03:16:23 -0800, somogyi@btinternet.com (Digger) wrote:


>thanks Keith
>
>will have to see if we are in the same area anytime near some
>appropriate water. It's time's like this when living a couple of
>hundred miles away from you lot is a real bind.
>
>incidentally, does anyone know what the swap rate Kiss to ybod and
>vice versa has been?
>
I do know one person locally who went to a KISS from a YBOD
I would be interested in the overall swap rate

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Steve Barlow

> Has anyone some comparison data between the Insp

Fully electronic closed circuit rebreather, 2 handsets, 3 hour scrubber, 3L
cylinders. About £4K plust a £500 course.

> / Evo and the

Fully electronic closed circuit rebreather, 1 handset, 1 Head-Up Display, 2
hour scrubber, 2L cylinders. About £5K plus a £500 course. Can be upgraded
for about £1K to include a deco computer and a Scrubber "Fuel Guage".
Prices are a APD "guestimate" from the NEC show.

> KISS. I think they're the main in use in the UK although
> someone will tell me I've missed something major.

A Canadian kit sold without Wing/Harness/Cylinders. Cost for all parts
about £4K. You import it yourself.

I think someone is offering a KISS specific course now, but most people I
know did an Inspiration course for about £500 prior to diving it.

Fully closed circuit rebreather with 3 independent ppo2 displays. O2
injection via a mechanical restriction at a constant flow rate (rather than
electronically).

> I'm at the moment thinking about the KISS route as I like
> the idea of having it kit form or at least having to do a complete
> build to learn how it works.

From this aspect there is no difference between them - you need to be able
to do this with any rebreather.

Personally I wouldn't buy a KISS, but each to their own.

Cheers
Matt.