Info please

OK,

I don't know who's going to be first to laugh.

I'm (at the very beginning of) looking at the possibility
of a CCR. (Cue "I told you so's" etc...)

Has anyone some comparison data between the Insp / Evo and the
KISS. I think they're the main in use in the UK although
someone will tell me I've missed something major.

I'm at the moment thinking about the KISS route as I like
the idea of having it kit form or at least having to do a complete
build to learn how it works.

At the risk of starting a flame war,

Opinions please from the players in particular Gordon, Keith S and as
new users Rob, Digs and Al also anyone who's only got a short time < 100
hrs on the KISS.


Thanks in advance

DaveA


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Dave Appleby wrote:
> I don't know who's going to be first to laugh.

That would be me then... *muffled laughter*

> I'm (at the very beginning of) looking at the possibility of a CCR. (Cue
> "I told you so's" etc...)

I told you so.....

> I'm at the moment thinking about the KISS route as I like the idea of
> having it kit form or at least having to do a complete build to learn
> how it works.

Heretic, burn him...

> Opinions please from the players in particular Gordon, Keith S and as
> new users Rob, Digs and Al also anyone who's only got a short time < 100
> hrs on the KISS.

Well, comparing CC with OC, I wouldn't go back. Not for diving in the UK.

Diving abroad, in general I probably can't be bothered lugging the thing
through customs (all things considered these days), there are probably
exceptions to that, but not many.

Out of water faff is increased (slightly), but to be honest the scary
tales of in-water task loading are very much exagerated. I find task
loading in water to be much the same, or in the case of trimix much less,
in comparison to OC.

Walking off the boat carrying a scrubber, or for your typical 30-35m
weekend nothing at all, and watching everyone haul their twinsets down
the quay is worth the money I paid for the unit all on its own.

Al.

"Alasdair Allan" <aa@ukrecscuba.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Dave Appleby wrote:

>
> > I'm at the moment thinking about the KISS route as I like the idea of
> > having it kit form or at least having to do a complete build to learn
> > how it works.
>
> Heretic, burn him...
>

> Al.

HAve you thought of the fun *YOU* could have with
a kit form CCR?

DaveA



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"Dave Appleby" <dave_appleby@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm (at the very beginning of) looking at the possibility
> of a CCR. (Cue "I told you so's" etc...)

I'll try very hard not to laugh my bits off. Really, I will.

> I'm at the moment thinking about the KISS route as I like
> the idea of having it kit form or at least having to do a complete
> build to learn how it works.

Well, you'll have to do that with an Inspiration course. Strip & build
is part of module 1, and you'll need to be able to draw it all out &
explain it as part of the theory test. We do yellow boxes, not black
ones...

> At the risk of starting a flame war,

I think you mis-spelt "piss take"

HTH

Vic.


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"Dave Appleby" <dave_appleby@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> I'm at the moment thinking about the KISS route as I like
> the idea of having it kit form or at least having to do a complete
> build to learn how it works.
>
>

At the risk of being offensive, (not that I care) thats not a particularly
good reason for choosing one breather over another.

As for comparisons, they always seem to be biased, you'd do as well to do
some reading first. KISS http://www.jetsam.ca theres also a KISS users
site, although its painfully old and outdated, but Im sure a quick google
will turn it up.

The inspiration sites are numerous too......

I'd suggest you start by figuring out what diving you want to do, how much
you want to support the lump yourself, what your budget is, how you will fly
the unit.... etc.

Its a bugger when you have to do the research for yaself, isnt it ;)


/Z

Dave Appleby wrote:
> HAve you thought of the fun *YOU* could have with
> a kit form CCR?

You think the Inspiration isn't a kit?
It is supplied complete and intact because it
needs to be to make the CE specification but
the first thing you do on the course is pull
it to pieces.

By the time you've dismantled the head and
taken out one of the cells you've got about
as far in as the KISS takes you. Now you have
to put it back together and make it gas tight.
You will do the rest of the seals and joints
the first time you clean it.

There are better reasons for choosing between
them than that. Do you want the fully electronic
inject or the constant flow with manual addition?
The Inspiration has caught up with the KISS on
the auto diluent addition side now so that's not
really an issue. What sort of bail out system do
you want?

You can get an Inspiration manual off their web
site but walk it up the local copy shop and get
a spine stuck on it or it will drive you mad.
I expect the KISS has similar resources.

nigelH
The torch goes in the post at lunchtime

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:58:15 +0000 (UTC), "Dave Appleby"
<dave_appleby@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Has anyone some comparison data between the Insp / Evo and the
>KISS. I think they're the main in use in the UK although
>someone will tell me I've missed something major.

Why not do your own work and have a look at the APD website? I'm sure
the one thing you'll find striking about the Evolution is the
difference in cylinder sizes. I'd prefer having more gas on board,
personally... The new electronics are available on the Inspiration. I
don't really know much about the KISS, TBH.

>I'm at the moment thinking about the KISS route as I like
>the idea of having it kit form or at least having to do a complete
>build to learn how it works.

As others have said, you learn how an Inspiration works from the first
course. I see no real difference between that and the Inspiration in
that regard. Both types of unit can be customised by their owners...

IIWY I'd make my mind up based on the level of service and support I'd
expect to receive as a customer and diver. I know for a fact how good
the APD service is and the how much good information there is about
the Inspiration.
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"ferret" <ferret@cruelmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:58:15 +0000 (UTC), "Dave Appleby"
> <dave_appleby@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Has anyone some comparison data between the Insp / Evo and the
> >KISS. I think they're the main in use in the UK although
> >someone will tell me I've missed something major.
>
> Why not do your own work and have a look at the APD website? I'm sure
> the one thing you'll find striking about the Evolution is the
> difference in cylinder sizes. I'd prefer having more gas on board,
> personally... The new electronics are available on the Inspiration. I
> don't really know much about the KISS, TBH.

The scrubber is smaller as well
- it looks nice though

> >I'm at the moment thinking about the KISS route as I like
> >the idea of having it kit form or at least having to do a complete
> >build to learn how it works.
>
> As others have said, you learn how an Inspiration works from the first
> course. I see no real difference between that and the Inspiration in
> that regard. Both types of unit can be customised by their owners...
>
> IIWY I'd make my mind up based on the level of service and support I'd
> expect to receive as a customer and diver. I know for a fact how good
> the APD service is and the how much good information there is about
> the Inspiration.
> --

yep it's easy to get an Inspiration and bits for it

Thanks for the info so far.

I may have mis-phrased the initial question.

I actually spent about 1/2 hr on the Jetsam site last
night and have the PDF of the Insp manual.

It wasn't my intention to to fish for the basic info as
I've actually done some of the basic research myself already.

What I was really after was actual experience on the units for
low hours divers and some info on the ease of information assimilation
with relation to task loading on the two units. This is something
I can't get from the manuals.

I'm not looking at Mod 3 diving, I suppose the best example would
be something like the M2 or it's ilk. Say 30-35m (ish) with about
a 60 min runtime.

Thanks again for your help

DaveA




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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:04:55 +0000 (UTC), "Dave Appleby"
<dave_appleby@yahoo.com> wrote:

>What I was really after was actual experience on the units for
>low hours divers and some info on the ease of information assimilation
>with relation to task loading on the two units. This is something
>I can't get from the manuals.

You'll be wanting to look at those trip reports where CCRs have
figured, then.

Yet, you're still being vague. What is it *exactly* that you're unsure
of?

What is it that would sway your decision on which rb to buy? This is
on the premise that I believe you've already decided that you're going
to buy one.
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