Buddy Lines, good/bad/uses?

INMHO, I would not normally use such a line, because they are a liability
when not used properly or when the potential problems manifest themselves.
I do, however, have a very stout line with a caribeener on the end,
permanently attached to my stab jacket (the line can always be cut with a
knife), this has been used rarely, but was invaluable when it was,
preventing separation from my dive partner on several occasions, when in a
high current at the surface waiting for pickup, attaching the kit to the
boat for myself to pull in, if the boat crew can't manage or be trusted,
attaching myself to the boat while a less experienced partner gets sorted
out first, and other similar none critical situations, my 'buddy line' used
as above has always reduced either my own or my partners overall stress
level, and therefore, the likelihood of slipping down an incident pit.


Ken Phillips

I always carry one. The reasons to use a Jon Line (Buddy Line)

1. Deco Stops in current attached to an anchor or up line.
2. On the surface in current to keep with your buddy
3. Connect an inexperianced diver to you for their safety when they dove
out of there experiance level.
4. Low Viz, and i mean extremely low viz!
5. Great way to link a lift bag to something :)

Pete


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"Bassill" <Bassill.139p5n@forums.deeperblue.net> wrote in message
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> I always carry one. The reasons to use a Jon Line (Buddy Line)
> 1. Deco Stops in current attached to an anchor or up line.

I agree with this one.

> 2. On the surface in current to keep with your buddy

I'm not fond of this one. In calm seas, I don't need an attachment. In
rough ones, I don't think I want one. I've been jerked around by a buddy
line and I didn't care for it a bit.

> 3. Connect an inexperianced diver to you for their safety when they dove
> out of there experiance level.

Maybe. I'm not real sure I want to be attached to a panic attack looking
for a place and time to happen. I like to time my contact with somebody in
a problem situation to suit my plan to provide help. On the other hand, the
presence of such a line might prevent the situation from becoming a
problem. Like I said, maybe.

> 4. Low Viz, and i mean extremely low viz!

Sounds good to me, but I don't dive a lot of low viz water. Sounds like a
plan for wrecks and caves as long as I know I've got a certain connection to
the exit line.

> 5. Great way to link a lift bag to something :)

Agreed.

Lee

"Bassill" <Bassill.139p5n@forums.deeperblue.net> wrote in message
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>
> I always carry one. The reasons to use a Jon Line (Buddy Line)
>
> 1. Deco Stops in current attached to an anchor or up line.
> 2. On the surface in current to keep with your buddy
> 3. Connect an inexperianced diver to you for their safety when they dove
> out of there experiance level.
> 4. Low Viz, and i mean extremely low viz!
> 5. Great way to link a lift bag to something :)

Er... I always thought a 'Buddy Line' and a 'Jon Line' were two entirely
different things!!!! Correct me if I'm being thick...

> Er... I always thought a 'Buddy Line' and a 'Jon Line' were two entirely
> different things!!!! Correct me if I'm being thick...

I thought that - although I suppose you could use one line for both jobs,
just have two different clips on one end so you can use it for whatever you
want. Means you always carry both with you if you do ever need it, but
still only need to carry one line... if you see what I mean!

David

"David Walker" <wbsdavenews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Er... I always thought a 'Buddy Line' and a 'Jon Line' were two entirely
> > different things!!!! Correct me if I'm being thick...
>
> I thought that - although I suppose you could use one line for both jobs,
> just have two different clips on one end so you can use it for whatever
you
> want. Means you always carry both with you if you do ever need it, but
> still only need to carry one line... if you see what I mean!

Hmm, still not convinced. As far as I'm aware, a Buddy Line has a suicide
(ie. carbiner) clip on each end (or, in some cases, a simple webbing loop at
one end) whilst a Jon Line normally has either a bolt snap or a suicide clip
on one end and a metal line 'hook' on the other...

http://www.aquaexplorers.com/jon_line_clip.htm

> Hmm, still not convinced. As far as I'm aware, a Buddy Line has a suicide
> (ie. carbiner) clip on each end (or, in some cases, a simple webbing loop
at
> one end) whilst a Jon Line normally has either a bolt snap or a suicide
clip
> on one end and a metal line 'hook' on the other...

Thats what I meant - put 2 clips on the same end, so that you use one and
the other dangles free maybe? 2-in-1. Probably not ideal, but then I don't
carry (or even own) either a jon line or a buddy line (unless my DSMB reel
counts).

David

"Bardo" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "David Walker" <wbsdavenews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c3ag6s$an4$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk...
> > > Er... I always thought a 'Buddy Line' and a 'Jon Line' were two
entirely
> > > different things!!!! Correct me if I'm being thick...
> >
> > I thought that - although I suppose you could use one line for both
jobs,
> > just have two different clips on one end so you can use it for whatever
> you
> > want. Means you always carry both with you if you do ever need it, but
> > still only need to carry one line... if you see what I mean!
>
> Hmm, still not convinced. As far as I'm aware, a Buddy Line has a suicide
> (ie. carbiner) clip on each end (or, in some cases, a simple webbing loop
at
> one end) whilst a Jon Line normally has either a bolt snap or a suicide
clip
> on one end and a metal line 'hook' on the other...
>
> http://www.aquaexplorers.com/jon_line_clip.htm
>
>

Either that..... or a line with a spliced eye/loop in one end...... and the
other is free to knot (bowline or prussik).

> I do, however, have a very stout line with a caribeener on the end,
> permanently attached to my stab jacket (the line can always be cut with a
> knife), this has been used rarely,


Cut with a knife..............is this before, during or after the rapid
acsent you have caused by someone else?

If it is permanently attached to you then get your buddy to hold it. I have
a line with a carabina that I clip to my buddy and I hold the other end. I
am more practised at operating kit with a line in one hand.

Paul

In uk.rec.scuba, you wrote:
>
> "David Walker" <wbsdavenews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:c3ag6s$an4$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk...
>> > Er... I always thought a 'Buddy Line' and a 'Jon Line' were two entirely
>> > different things!!!! Correct me if I'm being thick...
>>
>> I thought that - although I suppose you could use one line for both jobs,
>> just have two different clips on one end so you can use it for whatever
> you
>> want. Means you always carry both with you if you do ever need it, but
>> still only need to carry one line... if you see what I mean!
>
> Hmm, still not convinced. As far as I'm aware, a Buddy Line has a suicide
> (ie. carbiner) clip on each end (or, in some cases, a simple webbing loop at

I have always thought that the standard buddy-line didn't have any clips
on it at all. The recommendation from SSDF. If one decides to use a
buddy-line you should be able to release it when there are pressure on
the line. There are two variants used by Swedish divers from SSDF/CMAS
(one of the few organisations where buddy-line in mandatory) either a
loop of bungee-cord at the end or a loop of the line it self. Also a
buddy-line needs to have a floating device in the middle.

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