BSAC Welcomes KISS Rebreather Divers

The BSAC have now enabled the use of KISS rebreathers within their branches
for divers who hold IANTD qualifications for the unit. The text of the
announcement can be found here - http://www.bsac.org/techserv/rrc/kissst.htm

Keith Lawrence
BSAC Council Member

"Keith Lawrence" <fake@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2jtr07F15jfupU1@uni-berlin.de...
> The BSAC have now enabled the use of KISS rebreathers within their
branches
> for divers who hold IANTD qualifications for the unit. The text of the
> announcement can be found here -
http://www.bsac.org/techserv/rrc/kissst.htm
>
> Keith Lawrence
> BSAC Council Member
>
>

At last they see common sense! Can I ask what it was that changed their
minds?

Keith Lawrence <fake@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The BSAC have now enabled the use of KISS rebreathers within their branches
> for divers who hold IANTD qualifications for the unit. The text of the
> announcement can be found here - http://www.bsac.org/techserv/rrc/kissst.htm

AND, in "Gas Mixtures" section of the Rebreather SDP...

>> If a mixed gas CCR diver chooses to have open circuit access to all gases carried,
>> appropriate safeguards should be put in place to avoid premature gas loss and to
>> ensure that the respective Maximum Operating Depths of all gases carried are observed.

That is 100% O2
BSAC on the Damascus road.

nigelH

Zak wrote:

> At last they see common sense! Can I ask what it was that changed their
> minds?

I know Mike Rowley was pushing hard for it, along with a few
others.

- Keith

"Keith Lawrence" <fake@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2jtr07F15jfupU1@uni-berlin.de...
> The BSAC have now enabled the use of KISS rebreathers within their
branches
> for divers who hold IANTD qualifications for the unit. The text of the
> announcement can be found here -
http://www.bsac.org/techserv/rrc/kissst.htm
>
> Keith Lawrence
> BSAC Council Member

So why the KISS, and not the Meg or Prism? Or are they next? I wasn't aware
that the KISS had a CE mark.

Andy

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:00:39 +0000 (UTC), "Andrew Pitkin"
<apitkin@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote:

>So why the KISS, and not the Meg or Prism? Or are they next? I wasn't aware
>that the KISS had a CE mark.
>

I think it is the course that has been recognised, you will notice
that you can only dive the KISS if you are IANTD trained (not sure if
anyone else offers a course). They may have a) not got round to
evaluating any Meg or Prism courses b) not found a course worth
evaluating

Pete
diving 'at' melbourne 'dot' me 'dot' uk

Not related to GI the 3rd by any chance are you?
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> Keith Lawrence wrote:
> > *The BSAC have now enabled the use of KISS rebreathers within their
> > branches *
>
> Thats just great news so now in the interest of balance we can now log a
> load more deaths from an alternative source.
> This time from an un tested, un tried and un certifed supplier.
> Well only time will tell us to what cost and penalty.
>
> Bit like flying Aeroflot I suppose, only without the investment.
>
> Nice own goal BSAC.
>
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> Thats just great news so now in the interest of balance we can now log a
> load more deaths from an alternative source.
> This time from an un tested, un tried and un certifed supplier.
> Well only time will tell us to what cost and penalty.

You obviously speak from a position of great knowledge and experience. Im
beginning to understand why so many people don't bother with usenet.

FYI, the KISS has now achieved over 150 units in market without a single
fatality. I for one hope that statistic remains the same and not just for
the KISS.

Zak wrote:
> You obviously speak from a position of great knowledge and experience.
> Im beginning to understand why so many people don't bother with
> usenet. FYI, the KISS has now achieved over 150 units in market
> without a single fatality. [/b]

One of the reasons for not bothering with usenet Zac is that you are one
of the few invited guests that can use the members only forums where you
get to agree with the latest guru. The rest of us however get to crawl
usenet. Please Invite me in!

There is no merit in great knowledge and experience save the
requirements to have some basic published performace testing. In order
to make a simple informed choice.

In addition it is only reasonable to have some informatation i.e.
1. Manufacturers in water service history.
2. Relibaility Maintainabily testing reports.
3. Canister C02 breakout, with temperature, depth, pressure, percentage,
RMV. If variable or fixed CO2 injection rates are used.
4. Reliability of the components i.e life test results.
5. Counterlung fabric tests : moisture vapour transmission, breaking
strength, elongation at break, tear strength, adhesion
6. Work of Breathing unmanned test results.

Only then would you require a supplier with a history of breathing
apperatus design and manufacture. A service history. A certified QA
procedure, and yes even a CE mark for EU. In the absent of any one of
the above, my original point stands.

Dont fool yourself with knowledge and experiance, its what it's based on
that counts, I for one dont have enough yet and am still learning. I do
however have a heathy dose of scepticism.
Sorry but 150 units sold don't count much.


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"hwing3" <hwing3.18bhda@forums.deeperblue.net> wrote in message
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> Keith Lawrence wrote:
> > *The BSAC have now enabled the use of KISS rebreathers within their
> > branches *
>
> Thats just great news so now in the interest of balance we can now log a
> load more deaths from an alternative source.

As opposed to?

> This time from an un tested, un tried and un certifed supplier.
> Well only time will tell us to what cost and penalty.
>
> Bit like flying Aeroflot I suppose, only without the investment.

Who are now flying Boeings. They've learnt and adapted
>
> Nice own goal BSAC.
>
>
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That's what I like to see. A nice open mind.

10 Years ago the same thing was said about Nitrox & Trimix.

DaveA


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