PADI Advanced OW course material

"Lazarus X" <lazarusx@nospam.com> wrote ...

>>Wrong - there is no such law. It is an agreement within the
>>dive industry, it has no force in national or international law.

> How does one stand from a life insurance point of view?

Ask the judge, it depends on your policy and the wording.

> Would the law state that qualified is implied due to experience?

Ask the judge, the question is likely to be did the lack of qualification
have a material affect upon the incident.

However, both of the above have NOTHING to do with your LDS. Sure, they can
decline your custom, any business can - they don't HAVE to serve you. But
claims that is is "the law" is just so much LDSBS, normally to protect their
own interests. The whole area of Nitrox is fraught with such restrictive
practices, the often visited subject of the annual O2 clean (again NOT a
legal requirement) is yet another case of it.

Keith L

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:14:16 +0100, "Keith Lawrence"
<fake@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Lazarus X" <lazarusx@nospam.com> wrote ...
>
>>>Wrong - there is no such law. It is an agreement within the
>>>dive industry, it has no force in national or international law.
>
>> How does one stand from a life insurance point of view?
>
>Ask the judge, it depends on your policy and the wording.
>
>> Would the law state that qualified is implied due to experience?
>
>Ask the judge, the question is likely to be did the lack of qualification
>have a material affect upon the incident.

I figured that this would be the answer.

>However, both of the above have NOTHING to do with your LDS.

Yeah, I know, I am my own LDS as far as fills are concerned but I was
wondering how I stood from an insurance point of view because I am
wondering whether or not to bother with my MOD2.



Laz

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"Lazarus X" <lazarusx@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, I know, I am my own LDS as far as fills are concerned but I was
> wondering how I stood from an insurance point of view because I am
> wondering whether or not to bother with my MOD2.

Yes you should, if you need the gas, get the cert.

At that level you're being trained to survive when it goes wrong, not to
dive when it goes right.

/F

"Frank Bruce" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "Lazarus X" <lazarusx@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:i2kmi05h1f1uhdhpdd49rmv3fga77nhd2m@4ax.com...
>
> > Yeah, I know, I am my own LDS as far as fills are concerned but I was
> > wondering how I stood from an insurance point of view because I am
> > wondering whether or not to bother with my MOD2.
>
> Yes you should, if you need the gas, get the cert.
>
> At that level you're being trained to survive when it goes wrong, not to
> dive when it goes right.
>
> /F

Which is a fascinating end to a thread entitled "PADI Advanced OW course
material"...

<dons flameproof wellies and legs it/>

CAS

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:59:57 +0100, "Frank Bruce" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>"Lazarus X" <lazarusx@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:i2kmi05h1f1uhdhpdd49rmv3fga77nhd2m@4ax.com.. .
>
>> Yeah, I know, I am my own LDS as far as fills are concerned but I was
>> wondering how I stood from an insurance point of view because I am
>> wondering whether or not to bother with my MOD2.
>
>Yes you should, if you need the gas, get the cert.
>
>At that level you're being trained to survive when it goes wrong, not to
>dive when it goes right.

This assumes that you need to do the course to gain the knowledge and
that by not doing the course you will not know what to do and vice
versa. I don't think it is that cut and dry.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the course is useless just
that it is not going to automatically make me safer.

Laz

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"Lazarus X" <lazarusx@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> This assumes that you need to do the course to gain the knowledge and
> that by not doing the course you will not know what to do and vice
> versa. I don't think it is that cut and dry.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the course is useless just
> that it is not going to automatically make me safer.

I'll simply refer you to the posting that Nigel made re his Mod two.

IMHO unless you've had the instruction - both information & skills, you
haven't had the knowledge.

Mod1 is novice rebreather nothing more, yes you can put anything in the dil
and keep coming back, whilst it all goes right - Mod2 (that's an IANTD
course) is about "when good dives go bad"

The training won't make you safer; only your attitudes and approaches do
that. However you should still get something out of it, information,
experiences or maybe just a better understanding of the risks and
potentially a change of attitudes following. We all learn something new
each day.

The certification shows that you have achieved a higher level of skills and
abilities than Mod1, which is why a number of insurances cover you to the
level of your certification.

Best
/F
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