Visual or Hydro

Can anyone help me out.

Ive got a cylinder that was due a visual in Feb this year (i.e now overdue)

The last test was a hydro under the "old" regs.

As the regs have changed and the test expired does this now need another
hydro or a visual?

How much is the average that you would expect to pay? and is there a list on
the internet where I can get the cylinder tested?

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:48:28 GMT, "Jason"
<jasespamremove12345@xmsg.com> wrote:

>Can anyone help me out.
>
>Ive got a cylinder that was due a visual in Feb this year (i.e now overdue)
>
>The last test was a hydro under the "old" regs.
>
>As the regs have changed and the test expired does this now need another
>hydro or a visual?
>
>How much is the average that you would expect to pay? and is there a list on
>the internet where I can get the cylinder tested?
>
>

You now need a visual, you probably also have another month depending
on when the last one was done, if Feb 2002 then you have until the end
of August, See section headed PIAT:-
http://www.bsac.org/services/talk/bransec0804.htm


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Pete

news 'at' melbourne 'dot' me 'dot' uk

> You now need a visual, you probably also have another month depending
> on when the last one was done, if Feb 2002 then you have until the end
> of August, See section headed PIAT:-
> http://www.bsac.org/services/talk/bransec0804.htm

I was origionally told (but there was a lot of confusion at the time) that
you would get two years from the hydro till a visual was required (old
standards) then after the visual 2.5 years till the next hydro. - however as
you point out the 2.5 period applied even though the hydro was under old
regs.

> You now need a visual, you probably also have another month depending
> on when the last one was done, if Feb 2002 then you have until the end
> of August

So the actual period of inspection is between 2y6m and 2y7m, depending on
the day of the month that the test was done? Hoping my tanks are stamped
03/2002 and I won't need to get them tested till after September!

Sean

"Steve Jones" <steve.jones@wda.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cc3772d8e258754502d4efa07d299b41.125781@mygat e.mailgate.org

> > Sean
> The 2y6m test period came in as at September 2002 (I think). So
> anything before this was subject to the old 2 years rule. So Sean your
> cylinders are out of date, according to my LDC.
>

However having read Pete's link above, this is the opposite view. So
again we have the problem with different shops interpreting things as
they see fit. This could mean that you miss a days diving when at the
coast because the shop there is of the same opinion as my local one,
where I had to get my tanks tested 2 years after the last test or they
would not fill them.

Steve


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What happened with mine earlier this year was if I had had them visually
inspected I would have only got the 2 year stamp as they were still under
the hydro from the old standard. I had them hydro'd and got the new 2 1/2
year stamp from the new standard. As for interpretation of this transition,
your cylinders are only tested until the date stamped on the cylinder
regardless if they were tested on the old or new standard. You don't assume
an extra 6 months applies retrospectively, obviously!
Mark.

"Steve Jones" <steve.jones@wda.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6f868839849d9b39ae216d059d43fbbe.125781@mygat e.mailgate.org...
> "Steve Jones" <steve.jones@wda.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cc3772d8e258754502d4efa07d299b41.125781@mygat e.mailgate.org
>
> > > Sean
> > The 2y6m test period came in as at September 2002 (I think). So
> > anything before this was subject to the old 2 years rule. So Sean your
> > cylinders are out of date, according to my LDC.
> >
>
> However having read Pete's link above, this is the opposite view. So
> again we have the problem with different shops interpreting things as
> they see fit. This could mean that you miss a days diving when at the
> coast because the shop there is of the same opinion as my local one,
> where I had to get my tanks tested 2 years after the last test or they
> would not fill them.
>
> Steve
>
>
> --
> Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

"Mark" <false@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:2msnv8Fq5ph7U1@uni-berlin.de...
> What happened with mine earlier this year was if I had had them visually
> inspected I would have only got the 2 year stamp as they were still under
> the hydro from the old standard. I had them hydro'd and got the new 2 1/2
> year stamp from the new standard. As for interpretation of this
transition,
> your cylinders are only tested until the date stamped on the cylinder
> regardless if they were tested on the old or new standard. You don't
assume
> an extra 6 months applies retrospectively, obviously!

But the stamp is the date of test, isn't it???

That's what it implies in the reference given earlier... Has the process of
the hydro test changed as well, such that older tests don't last as long?

Sean

The date of the test should be stamped, not the date the next test is due.
There has been so much misinterpretation, I saw something confirming the
actual position some time ago from HSE or SITA or someone like that who was
involved in making the standards, and BSAC have just released something in
their latest newsletter confirming the actual rules too - very basically,
from the date of your last test, you have 2 1/2 years before it is due
again. Have a quick look on the BSAC or SITA websites for more info.

Of course, it is still all irrelevant if the dive shops can't be bothered to
read the rules properly (so many don't) and so for now at least most of our
clubs cylinders were tested after 2 years - Stoney didn't understand the
rules, and as thats where a lot of the club's diving takes place we didn't
have a choice.

David


"Mark" <false@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:2msnv8Fq5ph7U1@uni-berlin.de...
> What happened with mine earlier this year was if I had had them visually
> inspected I would have only got the 2 year stamp as they were still under
> the hydro from the old standard. I had them hydro'd and got the new 2 1/2
> year stamp from the new standard. As for interpretation of this
transition,
> your cylinders are only tested until the date stamped on the cylinder
> regardless if they were tested on the old or new standard. You don't
assume
> an extra 6 months applies retrospectively, obviously!
> Mark.
>
> "Steve Jones" <steve.jones@wda.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:6f868839849d9b39ae216d059d43fbbe.125781@mygat e.mailgate.org...
> > "Steve Jones" <steve.jones@wda.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:cc3772d8e258754502d4efa07d299b41.125781@mygat e.mailgate.org
> >
> > > > Sean
> > > The 2y6m test period came in as at September 2002 (I think). So
> > > anything before this was subject to the old 2 years rule. So Sean your
> > > cylinders are out of date, according to my LDC.
> > >
> >
> > However having read Pete's link above, this is the opposite view. So
> > again we have the problem with different shops interpreting things as
> > they see fit. This could mean that you miss a days diving when at the
> > coast because the shop there is of the same opinion as my local one,
> > where I had to get my tanks tested 2 years after the last test or they
> > would not fill them.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
>
>

"David Walker" <wbsdavenews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cebbvd$18n$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk...

> Of course, it is still all irrelevant if the dive shops can't be bothered
to
> read the rules properly (so many don't) and so for now at least most of
our
> clubs cylinders were tested after 2 years - Stoney didn't understand the
> rules, and as thats where a lot of the club's diving takes place we didn't
> have a choice.
>
> David

It's always upto the blender or shop if they are prepared to fill your
tanks, inside the "rules" and "recommendation" involved.
My interpretation of the _guidelines_ are that the new test dates follow a
new test stamp either Hydro or Visual.

Please stop top posting.

/F
http://www.e-aquanauts.com

> > Of course, it is still all irrelevant if the dive shops can't be
bothered
> to
> > read the rules properly (so many don't) and so for now at least most of
> our
> > clubs cylinders were tested after 2 years - Stoney didn't understand the
> > rules, and as thats where a lot of the club's diving takes place we
didn't
> > have a choice.
> >
> > David
>
> It's always upto the blender or shop if they are prepared to fill your
> tanks, inside the "rules" and "recommendation" involved.
> My interpretation of the _guidelines_ are that the new test dates follow a
> new test stamp either Hydro or Visual.

I know that - I said that - hence why we got our tanks tested early. I'm
not going to sit and argue that anyone has to fill tanks. But I don't
believe for a second that they actually know and understand the rules and
decide for any logical reason that they will keep the old test dates, which
is a shame especially for those places that spend most of their day filling
cylinders. Just defeats the point in changing the rules about test dates
when you have to stick to the old ones because a few shops don't understand
them.

And see http://www.sita.org.uk/publications/cylindersletter.doc for
clarification of the rules.

> Please stop top posting.

Wow - the first time i've done it in the last few months - clearly its so
terrible I should be sent to the firing squad at dawn.

David