Baggage Allowances

For your amusment.
In a message to BA I said:

"Message: It seems from your website that my wife and I do not qualify for
an extra baggage allowance as scuba divers, and our diving equipment has to
be a part of our 23kg allowance (travelling to Australia, "World
Traveller"class). Have I read this correctly? If so, may I point-out the
injustice of this? My wife and I are of average weight, but have only the
same baggage allowance as obese people weighing twice as much. There has
been some talk recently of airlines imposing a surcharge for obese people;
you may add my name to those who would support such a move wholeheartedly."

To which BA replied:

<basically the same stuff as it says on the website>

I have now replied:

I see the cut & paste fairy at work here: that's remarkably similar to what
it says on your website. And my comments about fatties?

I'll keep you posted with any further communications from the BA bots.

Actually, it turns out I got it wrong: we're actually travelling with
QANTAS, whose total allowance is only 20kg, with similar terms to BA. We're
toying with the idea of boarding the aircraft in our suits and BCDs, saying
that they're "overcoats".

20kg baggage allowance to Oz ? They ARE taking the p*ss

This is a good one - I'm flying on a charter out of Bristol to Sardinia on
28th with an airline called OLT - they are German. On emailing them to ask
about a luggage upgrade, I was told that they couldn't accept me on the
flight because it was only staff that went to Bremen !!

As it happens after I sorted it out with the travel agent they charge about
£9/kilo if there is no weight allowance left from other people's luggage,
but other than that it's free. I'm having to use the fish scales (no put
intended) to ensure I distribute the gear around the hand luggage, that
always helps but then you only get 5k each then.

Chrystianne

"NoJags Neil" <neil264@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> For your amusment.
> In a message to BA I said:
>
> "Message: It seems from your website that my wife and I do not qualify for
> an extra baggage allowance as scuba divers, and our diving equipment has
to
> be a part of our 23kg allowance (travelling to Australia, "World
> Traveller"class). Have I read this correctly? If so, may I point-out the
> injustice of this? My wife and I are of average weight, but have only the
> same baggage allowance as obese people weighing twice as much. There has
> been some talk recently of airlines imposing a surcharge for obese people;
> you may add my name to those who would support such a move
wholeheartedly."
>
> To which BA replied:
>
> <basically the same stuff as it says on the website>
>
> I have now replied:
>
> I see the cut & paste fairy at work here: that's remarkably similar to
what
> it says on your website. And my comments about fatties?
>
> I'll keep you posted with any further communications from the BA bots.
>
> Actually, it turns out I got it wrong: we're actually travelling with
> QANTAS, whose total allowance is only 20kg, with similar terms to BA.
We're
> toying with the idea of boarding the aircraft in our suits and BCDs,
saying
> that they're "overcoats".
>
>

"Chrystianne" <diver@nospamchrystianne.com> wrote in message
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> 20kg baggage allowance to Oz ? They ARE taking the p*ss
>>
> I distribute the gear around the hand luggage, that
> always helps but then you only get 5k each then.

And now Easyjet who previously rigously enforced a 5kg & size hand luggage
limit - (you cant take that as hand luggage, it does met the regulations
which are for passenger safety - you wouldnt want that bag to fall out and
cause an injury etc etc) have anounced that they offer an unlimited hand
baggage allowance - the only restriction is the size: your hand baggage may
not be bigger than 55x40x20cm, and you must be able to lift it into the
overhead lockers yourself without assistance.

Even Ryanair has progressed to 10kg hand, (only 15kg hold) - but if you
purchase an extra seat (either for comfort/carry an musical instrument etc)
then although they charge you the same price (current adult fare) you do not
get the associated baggage allowance - and they will still charge you £4.50
kg over the weight allowance.

I will never, never, EVER fly with Ryanair, even if the world was on fire.
VERY bad experience, and you get no compensation, not even an apology, when
the plane you can see you have booked a seat on is on the runway and is
boarding passengers and the staff ask you to wait and the plane takes off.

The next plane was 12 hours hence, and didn't go to Oslo either. Somewhere
called Torp, a 3-hour train ride away, and all the connecting flights had to
be re-arranged.




"pete" <eee@ee.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Chrystianne" <diver@nospamchrystianne.com> wrote in message
> news:3pvQc.448$um1.196@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> > 20kg baggage allowance to Oz ? They ARE taking the p*ss
> >>
> > I distribute the gear around the hand luggage, that
> > always helps but then you only get 5k each then.
>
> And now Easyjet who previously rigously enforced a 5kg & size hand luggage
> limit - (you cant take that as hand luggage, it does met the regulations
> which are for passenger safety - you wouldnt want that bag to fall out and
> cause an injury etc etc) have anounced that they offer an unlimited hand
> baggage allowance - the only restriction is the size: your hand baggage
may
> not be bigger than 55x40x20cm, and you must be able to lift it into the
> overhead lockers yourself without assistance.
>
> Even Ryanair has progressed to 10kg hand, (only 15kg hold) - but if you
> purchase an extra seat (either for comfort/carry an musical instrument
etc)
> then although they charge you the same price (current adult fare) you do
not
> get the associated baggage allowance - and they will still charge you
£4.50
> kg over the weight allowance.
>
>
>

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 09:37:20 GMT, "Chrystianne"
<diver@nospamchrystianne.com> wrote:

>I will never, never, EVER fly with Ryanair, even if the world was on fire.
>VERY bad experience, and you get no compensation, not even an apology, when
>the plane you can see you have booked a seat on is on the runway and is
>boarding passengers and the staff ask you to wait and the plane takes off.

Well... were you late for check-in? I'm no fan of Ryanair myself, but
all these low-cost outfits operate to very tight turnaround
schedules... if you don't make it to check-in on time you simply won't
be allowed on.

You may be thinking 'I could see the damn plane, I could be out there
before the end of the queue made it on board' but non-aviation people
don't understand the importance of paperwork, loadsheet, weight &
balance stuff that has to be right before departure... once that
paperwork is done, checked, cross-checked, and signed-off, it's *done*
and it's too late to add a latecomer.

Of course if you checked-in on time and they simply overbooked or
screwed-up in some other fashion, forget the above!

Mike
http://www.corestore.org

'As I walk along these shores
I am the history within'

In message <ap6ch014gclrttfl7tpdeugl4m8omcsll9@4ax.com>, Michael Ross
<mike@corestore.org> writes
>On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 09:37:20 GMT, "Chrystianne"
><diver@nospamchrystianne.com> wrote:
>
>>I will never, never, EVER fly with Ryanair, even if the world was on fire.
>>VERY bad experience, and you get no compensation, not even an apology, when
>>the plane you can see you have booked a seat on is on the runway and is
>>boarding passengers and the staff ask you to wait and the plane takes off.
>
>Well... were you late for check-in? I'm no fan of Ryanair myself, but
>all these low-cost outfits operate to very tight turnaround
>schedules... if you don't make it to check-in on time you simply won't
>be allowed on.
>
>You may be thinking 'I could see the damn plane, I could be out there
>before the end of the queue made it on board' but non-aviation people
>don't understand the importance of paperwork, loadsheet, weight &
>balance stuff that has to be right before departure... once that
>paperwork is done, checked, cross-checked, and signed-off, it's *done*
>and it's too late to add a latecomer.
>
>Of course if you checked-in on time and they simply overbooked or
>screwed-up in some other fashion, forget the above!
>
>Mike
>http://www.corestore.org
>

Arrived Dublin Airport for 2.30pm flight to Liverpool.

Airport screens showed delayed till 3.30pm.

Had a look around shops - arrived gate 2.45pm

Plane going - not allowed on - watched our bags being taken off..

Around 25 passengers missed it.

Ryan Air desks said we should not have believed the airport screens as
they are nothing to do with Ryan Air.

No apology. No concern. No nothing.

They obviously play a numbers game, assuming that poor customer service
wont piss enough people off to affect their business - In fact, their
owner tends to make this clear whenever he is interviewed on these
matters.

--
Richard Faulkner

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:26:43 +0100, Richard Faulkner
<richard@estate.demon.co.uk> wrote:


>Arrived Dublin Airport for 2.30pm flight to Liverpool.
>
>Airport screens showed delayed till 3.30pm.
>
>Had a look around shops - arrived gate 2.45pm

Ahhhh... understandable, but unwise. Situation where it's better to be
an optimist than a pessimist. Pessimist says 'bugger it, that probably
means 3.30pm for 5pm. I'm going to shops/boozer/whatever'.

Optimist says 'OK 3.30pm, but maybe they'll fix the problem, I'll wait
at the gate'. It *does* happen that they can rearrange a new slot and
get away less late than they predicted - sounds like that's what
happened here. Of course they need to update the screens and make
copious announcements for pax who have wandered off to get arses to
gate pronto, sounds like that was the screwup here.

But always check with the gate before wandering!

>They obviously play a numbers game, assuming that poor customer service
>wont piss enough people off to affect their business - In fact, their
>owner tends to make this clear whenever he is interviewed on these
>matters.

On that I would entirely agree. As I said, I'm no fan of Ryanair - the
Ratner of airlines!

(and I was flying with them when they consisted of a couple of owld
BAC 1-11s and a couple of portakabins at Stansted!)

Mike
http://www.corestore.org

'As I walk along these shores
I am the history within'

Well i just flew back from cyprus with cyp airlines and WAS allowed an
excess of 20kg for my diving gear. Which considering i was already 15kg
baggage and diving gear overweight, they did NOT charge me.....

I would fly cyprus airlines all day long...fantastic i say.....

Cyprus Air allow an extra 20kg for dive kit, thats in addition to 20kg
personal allowance. I flew out to Cyprus in June and for a two of us we
had a total weight allowance of 40kg personal and 40kg dive kit. We
didn't need all that, but nice to know we could take out all our dive
kit without any hassle. However, some of our group had a problem when
coming home and had to pay excess baggage----- just something to be
aware of....

Donna


--
Donna

'Always be the best you can be'
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"pete" <eee@ee.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Chrystianne" <diver@nospamchrystianne.com> wrote in message
> news:3pvQc.448$um1.196@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> > 20kg baggage allowance to Oz ? They ARE taking the p*ss
> >>
> > I distribute the gear around the hand luggage, that
> > always helps but then you only get 5k each then.
>
> And now Easyjet who previously rigously enforced a 5kg & size hand luggage
> limit - (you cant take that as hand luggage, it does met the regulations
> which are for passenger safety - you wouldnt want that bag to fall out and
> cause an injury etc etc) have anounced that they offer an unlimited hand
> baggage allowance - the only restriction is the size: your hand baggage
may
> not be bigger than 55x40x20cm, and you must be able to lift it into the
> overhead lockers yourself without assistance.
>
<snip>
Cabin baggage is an interesting one. I used to be in the aviation industry
and used to get to hear about things on the grapevine. Apparently one of
the "interesting" things about the Kegworth crash was that all the overhead
lockers came down.

WRT the low cost airlines, my missus had a terrible experience with Easyjet
too. Neither of us would ever use them again, but then again, we're in a
cosy financial situation where we don't need to. It's important to bear in
mind that some people have to either do it that way or stay at home.

I'm going to ring QANTAS tomorrow and try to negotiate something. How do
you get down on your knees on a phone call?