Buddy breathing.

Can anyone outline the correct method for buddy breathing (i.e 2 divers /
1reg)

"James" <james1212@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can anyone outline the correct method for buddy breathing (i.e 2 divers /
> 1reg)

Firstly, find yourself a suitable shallow site to practice. then:

Hold on to each other.
Both hold onto the reg
Diver 1 takes two breaths, and then passes the reg to Diver 2
Diver 2 takes two breaths, and then passes it back.
Repeat.

Once you have got practiced doing it like this, then you can start to think
about doing an ascent while doing it.

HTH
John

"John Kendall" <news@johnkendall.com> wrote in message
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>
> "James" <james1212@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> newsmlUc.181930$a8.169274@fe2.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> Can anyone outline the correct method for buddy breathing (i.e 2 divers /
>> 1reg)
>
> Firstly, find yourself a suitable shallow site to practice. then:
>
> Hold on to each other.
> Both hold onto the reg

Actually I was taught that diver 1 (the donor) holds onto the reg and diver
2 (the recipitant) holds onto diver 1's wrist. If both divers hold onto the
reg, it's gonna get awfully messy!

> Diver 1 takes two breaths, and then passes the reg to Diver 2
> Diver 2 takes two breaths, and then passes it back.
> Repeat.

In article <2oe687F9i70aU1@uni-berlin.de>,
John Kendall <news@johnkendall.com> wrote:
>
>"James" <james1212@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Can anyone outline the correct method for buddy breathing (i.e 2 divers /
>> 1reg)
>
>Firstly, find yourself a suitable shallow site to practice. then:
>
>Hold on to each other.
>Both hold onto the reg
>Diver 1 takes two breaths, and then passes the reg to Diver 2
>Diver 2 takes two breaths, and then passes it back.
>Repeat.
>
>Once you have got practiced doing it like this, then you can start to think
>about doing an ascent while doing it.

Then.... Once you have practiced it, go and read the BSAC incident
reports and find out how many divers have made successfull ascents
buddy breathing in a real out of air situation, and how many have died
in the process.

Then go and buy yourself an octopus regulator and forget about buddy
breathing ever again.

Gordon

"Gordon Henderson" <gordon@lion.drogon.net> wrote in message
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>
> Then.... Once you have practiced it, go and read the BSAC incident
> reports and find out how many divers have made successfull ascents
> buddy breathing in a real out of air situation, and how many have died
> in the process.
>
> Then go and buy yourself an octopus regulator and forget about buddy
> breathing ever again.

Hehe. Well said. If you're on a boat with a 'buddy' who doesn't have an
octopus, refuse to dive with them - it's as simple as that...

"James" <james1212@hotmail.com> wrote ...

> Can anyone outline the correct method for buddy
> breathing (i.e 2 divers / 1reg)

In a word - DON'T

It is a pointless skill that is long past its sell-by date, to get into the
situation where BB is actually required you have to construct scenarios of
multiple failures and/or poor planning and equipment configuration.

It was removed from BSAC training some time ago, the reason for that was
there is a danger of it becoming a conditioned response in an OOA situation.
Trawl through the incident reports and you will find examples where people
have died trying to BB whilst ignoring a perfectly functioning Octo/Pony
AAS!

BB has no place in ordinary recreational diving IMHO, that's a view that
I've been arguing for years

Keith L

> > Can anyone outline the correct method for buddy
> > breathing (i.e 2 divers / 1reg)
>
> In a word - DON'T
>

agree

> It is a pointless skill that is long past its sell-by date, to get into
the
> situation where BB is actually required you have to construct scenarios of
> multiple failures and/or poor planning and equipment configuration.
>

not convinced It is a skill that I have and dont plan to use.there might be
a slim chance of it helping me or someone else. It is not a skill that
should be taught to a novice diver.

> It was removed from BSAC training some time ago, the reason for that was
> there is a danger of it becoming a conditioned response in an OOA
situation.
> Trawl through the incident reports and you will find examples where people
> have died trying to BB whilst ignoring a perfectly functioning Octo/Pony
> AAS!
>
> BB has no place in ordinary recreational diving IMHO, that's a view that
> I've been arguing for years
>
> Keith L
>
but Keith do you know how to do it ?
I cant supply a situation that would suggest using it would be the best
option.

David

"david" <im@fedup.com> wrote ...

> but Keith do you know how to do it ?

Yes, it was part of basic training when I learnt to dive back in 1996, I
remember doing leghths of the pool using BB. Apart from when I was teaching
the old BSAC sylabus I have never practiced it, I've never been even
remotely near a real-life situation where it would be a valid option. I
thought that it was a complete waste of time (and probably dangerous) back
then as well.

> I cant supply a situation that would suggest using it
> would be the best option.

Neither can anybody, that's part of the problem People seem pretty much
in agreement Dave, BB is one of those quaint old traditions best consigned
to the history books.

Keith L

> Neither can anybody, that's part of the problem People seem pretty
> much
> in agreement Dave, BB is one of those quaint old traditions best consigned
> to the history books.

Right - Will kill BB as a skill!

I know you are right (with an octo, and pony) you have a number of options -
just seems like it is a skill that "you should be able to do" - even though
you will never need it!

"Keith Lawrence" <false@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "david" <im@fedup.com> wrote ...
>
> > but Keith do you know how to do it ?
>
> Yes, it was part of basic training when I learnt to dive back in 1996, I
> remember doing leghths of the pool using BB. Apart from when I was
teaching
> the old BSAC sylabus I have never practiced it, I've never been even
> remotely near a real-life situation where it would be a valid option. I
> thought that it was a complete waste of time (and probably dangerous) back
> then as well.
>
> > I cant supply a situation that would suggest using it
> > would be the best option.
>
> Neither can anybody, that's part of the problem People seem pretty
much
> in agreement Dave, BB is one of those quaint old traditions best consigned
> to the history books.

Oh, not completely true. BB can be a useful skill to have in a varied
toolbox of skills designed to get you out of the water. I completely agree
that it should not be the first response, nor should it be the only response
to an Out of Gas situation. I am also 100% behind not teaching it to new
divers, or in fact any divers who haven't got an automated AAS response.

I've used BB for real. However it was because of a deco gas failure. BB got
us out of the water quickest, and therefore warmest. We did have other
options available to us though.

John