No-take zone in Lamlash Bay, Arran (Petition)

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:40:24 +0000 (UTC), "david" <im@fedup.com> wrote:


>> You won't say that when they ban diving there.
>>
>I am not for it, but if they baned diving there do you think it would help a
>lot of the more dived sites do look like they have been gazed by a heard of
>hungy cattle. anything sticking out is broken off but even if we did not
>dive these sites for 20 years 2 months of bad diving will graze them down
>again.
> The no take zone will at least give some of the critters a chance to
>breed ?
>
>so would banning diving help ?

In general recreational divers have a minimal effect on scallops or wildlife.
They do destroy wrecks however but the real destruction comes from mobile
fishing,(scallop dredging and trawling). The other big killer of lobsters and
crayfish is the bottom set tangle net, these also catch porpoise.

The recent banning of dredging due to Amnesic Shellfish Poison scares resulted
in more fish and shellfish being caught in static gear. A sure sign of increased
numbers.

The no catch zone is like stopping road accidents by banning cars.

--
Steve Barlow

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:40:24 +0000 (UTC), "david" <im@fedup.com> wrote:


>> You won't say that when they ban diving there.
>>
>I am not for it, but if they baned diving there do you think it would help a
>lot of the more dived sites do look like they have been gazed by a heard of
>hungy cattle. anything sticking out is broken off but even if we did not
>dive these sites for 20 years 2 months of bad diving will graze them down
>again.
> The no take zone will at least give some of the critters a chance to
>breed ?
>
>so would banning diving help ?

In general recreational divers have a minimal effect on scallops or wildlife.
They do destroy wrecks however but the real destruction comes from mobile
fishing,(scallop dredging and trawling). The other big killer of lobsters and
crayfish is the bottom set tangle net, these also catch porpoise.

The recent banning of dredging due to Amnesic Shellfish Poison scares resulted
in more fish and shellfish being caught in static gear. A sure sign of increased
numbers.

The no catch zone is like stopping road accidents by banning cars.

--
Steve Barlow

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:40:24 +0000 (UTC), "david" <im@fedup.com> wrote:


>> You won't say that when they ban diving there.
>>
>I am not for it, but if they baned diving there do you think it would help a
>lot of the more dived sites do look like they have been gazed by a heard of
>hungy cattle. anything sticking out is broken off but even if we did not
>dive these sites for 20 years 2 months of bad diving will graze them down
>again.
> The no take zone will at least give some of the critters a chance to
>breed ?
>
>so would banning diving help ?

In general recreational divers have a minimal effect on scallops or wildlife.
They do destroy wrecks however but the real destruction comes from mobile
fishing,(scallop dredging and trawling). The other big killer of lobsters and
crayfish is the bottom set tangle net, these also catch porpoise.

The recent banning of dredging due to Amnesic Shellfish Poison scares resulted
in more fish and shellfish being caught in static gear. A sure sign of increased
numbers.

The no catch zone is like stopping road accidents by banning cars.

--
Steve Barlow

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:40:24 +0000 (UTC), "david" <im@fedup.com> wrote:


>> You won't say that when they ban diving there.
>>
>I am not for it, but if they baned diving there do you think it would help a
>lot of the more dived sites do look like they have been gazed by a heard of
>hungy cattle. anything sticking out is broken off but even if we did not
>dive these sites for 20 years 2 months of bad diving will graze them down
>again.
> The no take zone will at least give some of the critters a chance to
>breed ?
>
>so would banning diving help ?

In general recreational divers have a minimal effect on scallops or wildlife.
They do destroy wrecks however but the real destruction comes from mobile
fishing,(scallop dredging and trawling). The other big killer of lobsters and
crayfish is the bottom set tangle net, these also catch porpoise.

The recent banning of dredging due to Amnesic Shellfish Poison scares resulted
in more fish and shellfish being caught in static gear. A sure sign of increased
numbers.

The no catch zone is like stopping road accidents by banning cars.

--
Steve Barlow

Dived on the bay side of the island years ago it "was" great, lots of life,
marine growth and scallops of all sizes. Went back the next year to a barren
muddy bottom, I heard locally that the scallop boats had dredged the area.
So disappointed I've never been back.

Bob

"scubadoguk" <scubadoguk3@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:W_5id.360522$D%.273152@attbi_s51...
> dove there 16 yrs ago loved it, shame its getting wrecked.
> "Ben Panter" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:2urrc3F2dd7o6U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Dear All,
> >
> > You may have seen the BBC program some months back on the action of
> > some divers and concerned residents on Arran about fishing in Lamlash
Bay.
> > The Community of Arran Seabed Trust, COAST, are attempting to create a
> > no-take zone in this area. This will hopefully restore the underwater
> > fauna to its previous glory and improve fish stocks elsewhere in the
> > Clyde, providing benefits both to divers and fishermen. This is a
> > contentious issue, and there are of course two sides to the argument. On
> > balance my feeling is that it is a good plan, but you have to make your
> > own mind up.
> >
> > There is an official petition to the Scottish Parliament, hosted by
> > the Parliament itself, in support of this action. If you feel that way
> > inclined, the petition is at:
> >
> > http://epetitions.scottish.parliamen...asp?TopicID=37
> >
> > Anyone is welcome to sign, but of course those with an address in
> > Scotland are particulally sought.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ben
> > BBC Article - "Bee in your Bonnet":
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ican/coast
> >
> > COAST Website:
> >
> > http://arrancoast.co.uk/
> >
> > Petition Statement:
> >
> > The petitioner requests that the Scottish Parliament supports COAST's
> > proposals to close an area of Lamlash Bay to all forms of marine life
> > extraction [No Take Zone] and the rest of the Bay to mobile fishing gear
> > [Marine Protected Area]. COAST believes that this trial will enable
marine
> > life, including whitefish, flatfish and scallops to regenerate,
ultimately
> > benefiting the local marine environment, local economy and, through
> > spillover of species from the NTZ, the Clyde fishermen.
> >
> > --
> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > Ben Panter, Edinburgh, UK
> > email is false. Use my name (no spaces) at bigfoot which is a com.
>
>

Dived on the bay side of the island years ago it "was" great, lots of life,
marine growth and scallops of all sizes. Went back the next year to a barren
muddy bottom, I heard locally that the scallop boats had dredged the area.
So disappointed I've never been back.

Bob

"scubadoguk" <scubadoguk3@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:W_5id.360522$D%.273152@attbi_s51...
> dove there 16 yrs ago loved it, shame its getting wrecked.
> "Ben Panter" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:2urrc3F2dd7o6U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Dear All,
> >
> > You may have seen the BBC program some months back on the action of
> > some divers and concerned residents on Arran about fishing in Lamlash
Bay.
> > The Community of Arran Seabed Trust, COAST, are attempting to create a
> > no-take zone in this area. This will hopefully restore the underwater
> > fauna to its previous glory and improve fish stocks elsewhere in the
> > Clyde, providing benefits both to divers and fishermen. This is a
> > contentious issue, and there are of course two sides to the argument. On
> > balance my feeling is that it is a good plan, but you have to make your
> > own mind up.
> >
> > There is an official petition to the Scottish Parliament, hosted by
> > the Parliament itself, in support of this action. If you feel that way
> > inclined, the petition is at:
> >
> > http://epetitions.scottish.parliamen...asp?TopicID=37
> >
> > Anyone is welcome to sign, but of course those with an address in
> > Scotland are particulally sought.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ben
> > BBC Article - "Bee in your Bonnet":
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ican/coast
> >
> > COAST Website:
> >
> > http://arrancoast.co.uk/
> >
> > Petition Statement:
> >
> > The petitioner requests that the Scottish Parliament supports COAST's
> > proposals to close an area of Lamlash Bay to all forms of marine life
> > extraction [No Take Zone] and the rest of the Bay to mobile fishing gear
> > [Marine Protected Area]. COAST believes that this trial will enable
marine
> > life, including whitefish, flatfish and scallops to regenerate,
ultimately
> > benefiting the local marine environment, local economy and, through
> > spillover of species from the NTZ, the Clyde fishermen.
> >
> > --
> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > Ben Panter, Edinburgh, UK
> > email is false. Use my name (no spaces) at bigfoot which is a com.
>
>

Dived on the bay side of the island years ago it "was" great, lots of life,
marine growth and scallops of all sizes. Went back the next year to a barren
muddy bottom, I heard locally that the scallop boats had dredged the area.
So disappointed I've never been back.

Bob

"scubadoguk" <scubadoguk3@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:W_5id.360522$D%.273152@attbi_s51...
> dove there 16 yrs ago loved it, shame its getting wrecked.
> "Ben Panter" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:2urrc3F2dd7o6U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Dear All,
> >
> > You may have seen the BBC program some months back on the action of
> > some divers and concerned residents on Arran about fishing in Lamlash
Bay.
> > The Community of Arran Seabed Trust, COAST, are attempting to create a
> > no-take zone in this area. This will hopefully restore the underwater
> > fauna to its previous glory and improve fish stocks elsewhere in the
> > Clyde, providing benefits both to divers and fishermen. This is a
> > contentious issue, and there are of course two sides to the argument. On
> > balance my feeling is that it is a good plan, but you have to make your
> > own mind up.
> >
> > There is an official petition to the Scottish Parliament, hosted by
> > the Parliament itself, in support of this action. If you feel that way
> > inclined, the petition is at:
> >
> > http://epetitions.scottish.parliamen...asp?TopicID=37
> >
> > Anyone is welcome to sign, but of course those with an address in
> > Scotland are particulally sought.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ben
> > BBC Article - "Bee in your Bonnet":
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ican/coast
> >
> > COAST Website:
> >
> > http://arrancoast.co.uk/
> >
> > Petition Statement:
> >
> > The petitioner requests that the Scottish Parliament supports COAST's
> > proposals to close an area of Lamlash Bay to all forms of marine life
> > extraction [No Take Zone] and the rest of the Bay to mobile fishing gear
> > [Marine Protected Area]. COAST believes that this trial will enable
marine
> > life, including whitefish, flatfish and scallops to regenerate,
ultimately
> > benefiting the local marine environment, local economy and, through
> > spillover of species from the NTZ, the Clyde fishermen.
> >
> > --
> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > Ben Panter, Edinburgh, UK
> > email is false. Use my name (no spaces) at bigfoot which is a com.
>
>

Dived on the bay side of the island years ago it "was" great, lots of life,
marine growth and scallops of all sizes. Went back the next year to a barren
muddy bottom, I heard locally that the scallop boats had dredged the area.
So disappointed I've never been back.

Bob

"scubadoguk" <scubadoguk3@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:W_5id.360522$D%.273152@attbi_s51...
> dove there 16 yrs ago loved it, shame its getting wrecked.
> "Ben Panter" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:2urrc3F2dd7o6U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Dear All,
> >
> > You may have seen the BBC program some months back on the action of
> > some divers and concerned residents on Arran about fishing in Lamlash
Bay.
> > The Community of Arran Seabed Trust, COAST, are attempting to create a
> > no-take zone in this area. This will hopefully restore the underwater
> > fauna to its previous glory and improve fish stocks elsewhere in the
> > Clyde, providing benefits both to divers and fishermen. This is a
> > contentious issue, and there are of course two sides to the argument. On
> > balance my feeling is that it is a good plan, but you have to make your
> > own mind up.
> >
> > There is an official petition to the Scottish Parliament, hosted by
> > the Parliament itself, in support of this action. If you feel that way
> > inclined, the petition is at:
> >
> > http://epetitions.scottish.parliamen...asp?TopicID=37
> >
> > Anyone is welcome to sign, but of course those with an address in
> > Scotland are particulally sought.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ben
> > BBC Article - "Bee in your Bonnet":
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ican/coast
> >
> > COAST Website:
> >
> > http://arrancoast.co.uk/
> >
> > Petition Statement:
> >
> > The petitioner requests that the Scottish Parliament supports COAST's
> > proposals to close an area of Lamlash Bay to all forms of marine life
> > extraction [No Take Zone] and the rest of the Bay to mobile fishing gear
> > [Marine Protected Area]. COAST believes that this trial will enable
marine
> > life, including whitefish, flatfish and scallops to regenerate,
ultimately
> > benefiting the local marine environment, local economy and, through
> > spillover of species from the NTZ, the Clyde fishermen.
> >
> > --
> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > Ben Panter, Edinburgh, UK
> > email is false. Use my name (no spaces) at bigfoot which is a com.
>
>

Dived on the bay side of the island years ago it "was" great, lots of life,
marine growth and scallops of all sizes. Went back the next year to a barren
muddy bottom, I heard locally that the scallop boats had dredged the area.
So disappointed I've never been back.

Bob

"scubadoguk" <scubadoguk3@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:W_5id.360522$D%.273152@attbi_s51...
> dove there 16 yrs ago loved it, shame its getting wrecked.
> "Ben Panter" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:2urrc3F2dd7o6U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Dear All,
> >
> > You may have seen the BBC program some months back on the action of
> > some divers and concerned residents on Arran about fishing in Lamlash
Bay.
> > The Community of Arran Seabed Trust, COAST, are attempting to create a
> > no-take zone in this area. This will hopefully restore the underwater
> > fauna to its previous glory and improve fish stocks elsewhere in the
> > Clyde, providing benefits both to divers and fishermen. This is a
> > contentious issue, and there are of course two sides to the argument. On
> > balance my feeling is that it is a good plan, but you have to make your
> > own mind up.
> >
> > There is an official petition to the Scottish Parliament, hosted by
> > the Parliament itself, in support of this action. If you feel that way
> > inclined, the petition is at:
> >
> > http://epetitions.scottish.parliamen...asp?TopicID=37
> >
> > Anyone is welcome to sign, but of course those with an address in
> > Scotland are particulally sought.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ben
> > BBC Article - "Bee in your Bonnet":
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ican/coast
> >
> > COAST Website:
> >
> > http://arrancoast.co.uk/
> >
> > Petition Statement:
> >
> > The petitioner requests that the Scottish Parliament supports COAST's
> > proposals to close an area of Lamlash Bay to all forms of marine life
> > extraction [No Take Zone] and the rest of the Bay to mobile fishing gear
> > [Marine Protected Area]. COAST believes that this trial will enable
marine
> > life, including whitefish, flatfish and scallops to regenerate,
ultimately
> > benefiting the local marine environment, local economy and, through
> > spillover of species from the NTZ, the Clyde fishermen.
> >
> > --
> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > Ben Panter, Edinburgh, UK
> > email is false. Use my name (no spaces) at bigfoot which is a com.
>
>

Dear All,

You may have seen the BBC program some months back on the action of
some divers and concerned residents on Arran about fishing in Lamlash
Bay. The Community of Arran Seabed Trust, COAST, are attempting to
create a no-take zone in this area. This will hopefully restore the
underwater fauna to its previous glory and improve fish stocks elsewhere
in the Clyde, providing benefits both to divers and fishermen. This is a
contentious issue, and there are of course two sides to the argument. On
balance my feeling is that it is a good plan, but you have to make your
own mind up.

There is an official petition to the Scottish Parliament, hosted
by the Parliament itself, in support of this action. If you feel that
way inclined, the petition is at:

http://epetitions.scottish.parliamen...asp?TopicID=37

Anyone is welcome to sign, but of course those with an address in
Scotland are particulally sought.

Cheers,

Ben
BBC Article - "Bee in your Bonnet":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ican/coast

COAST Website:

http://arrancoast.co.uk/

Petition Statement:

The petitioner requests that the Scottish Parliament supports COAST’s
proposals to close an area of Lamlash Bay to all forms of marine life
extraction [No Take Zone] and the rest of the Bay to mobile fishing gear
[Marine Protected Area]. COAST believes that this trial will enable
marine life, including whitefish, flatfish and scallops to regenerate,
ultimately benefiting the local marine environment, local economy and,
through spillover of species from the NTZ, the Clyde fishermen.

--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Ben Panter, Edinburgh, UK
email is false. Use my name (no spaces) at bigfoot which is a com.