To P-Valve, or not to P-Valve, that is the question.

"McBad" <mcbad@NOSPAMglobalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> My kidneys like to go into over-drive as soon as they get anywhere near
> water, so I'm wondering about whacking a hole in my new dry suit and
> fitting
> one of these.
>
> On the one hand it goes against the grain to put a hole in a new suit
> which
> then has the potential for leaking very cold water over one's most
> delicate
> bits. I also wonder about how bulky the fitting glued inside the suit is;
> is it likely to dig into your leg as you drag yourself back over the side
> of
> the boat? How fiddly is it to put 'on' (yes, I know it depends on the
> size
> of what you're putting it on to)? How frequently do they leak between the
> condom bit and flesh bit, or between the condom bit and the pipe bit?
> There
> must be some dead space between the flesh and the outside; how easy is it
> to
> purge this afterwards, without pouring it down your drysuit leg? Balanced
> or not balanced? Is there any detrimental affect on your wedding tackle
> through being strapped into a condom for hours on end? What happens if
> you
> forget you've fitted it and roll your dry suit off...? How easy is the
> valve to turn on and off on the outside of the suit; any chance of
> unscrewing it too far and loosing the nut into the depths?
>
> On the other hand, it does sound very nice to be able to relieve oneself
> under water, and not have to worry about that desperate exit and rapid
> de-kit in order to bare your entire shivering torso to the atlantic gale
> and
> take a leak.
>
> Any advice please. Are there different makes - are some better than
> others?
> How much should it cost to spend a penny? All I've seen so far is a pdf
> for
> the halycon version.
>
> thanks,
>
> M.
>
> (This is a serious post; I'm not taking the piss.)

There is an alternative of course. Wear one of those sheath thingies in any
case, but rather than make any hole in the suit which MUST be a point of
weakness, connect a collecting bag to the sheath. This is then strapped to
the leg. Sure, a suit squeeze would also squeeze the bag and its contents,
so you need to keep some air in. Also you need a slack enough fitting leg in
order that the bag can expand into it. The limiting factor is of course that
there is a limit to what any bag can hold. This system would not be perfect
and leaks can occur, but so can any other system. Visit your local surgical
appliance centre.

Ken

"McBad" <mcbad@NOSPAMglobalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:E5udnaTbzM704pvfRVnygw@brightview.com...
> My kidneys like to go into over-drive as soon as they get anywhere near
> water, so I'm wondering about whacking a hole in my new dry suit and
> fitting
> one of these.
>
> On the one hand it goes against the grain to put a hole in a new suit
> which
> then has the potential for leaking very cold water over one's most
> delicate
> bits. I also wonder about how bulky the fitting glued inside the suit is;
> is it likely to dig into your leg as you drag yourself back over the side
> of
> the boat? How fiddly is it to put 'on' (yes, I know it depends on the
> size
> of what you're putting it on to)? How frequently do they leak between the
> condom bit and flesh bit, or between the condom bit and the pipe bit?
> There
> must be some dead space between the flesh and the outside; how easy is it
> to
> purge this afterwards, without pouring it down your drysuit leg? Balanced
> or not balanced? Is there any detrimental affect on your wedding tackle
> through being strapped into a condom for hours on end? What happens if
> you
> forget you've fitted it and roll your dry suit off...? How easy is the
> valve to turn on and off on the outside of the suit; any chance of
> unscrewing it too far and loosing the nut into the depths?
>
> On the other hand, it does sound very nice to be able to relieve oneself
> under water, and not have to worry about that desperate exit and rapid
> de-kit in order to bare your entire shivering torso to the atlantic gale
> and
> take a leak.
>
> Any advice please. Are there different makes - are some better than
> others?
> How much should it cost to spend a penny? All I've seen so far is a pdf
> for
> the halycon version.
>
> thanks,
>
> M.
>
> (This is a serious post; I'm not taking the piss.)

There is an alternative of course. Wear one of those sheath thingies in any
case, but rather than make any hole in the suit which MUST be a point of
weakness, connect a collecting bag to the sheath. This is then strapped to
the leg. Sure, a suit squeeze would also squeeze the bag and its contents,
so you need to keep some air in. Also you need a slack enough fitting leg in
order that the bag can expand into it. The limiting factor is of course that
there is a limit to what any bag can hold. This system would not be perfect
and leaks can occur, but so can any other system. Visit your local surgical
appliance centre.

Ken

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>
> "McBad" <mcbad@NOSPAMglobalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:E5udnaTbzM704pvfRVnygw@brightview.com...
>> My kidneys like to go into over-drive as soon as they get anywhere
>> near water, so I'm wondering about whacking a hole in my new dry suit
>> and fitting
>> one of these.
>>
>> On the one hand it goes against the grain to put a hole in a new suit
>> which
>> then has the potential for leaking very cold water over one's most
>> delicate
>> bits. I also wonder about how bulky the fitting glued inside the
>> suit is; is it likely to dig into your leg as you drag yourself back
>> over the side of
>> the boat? How fiddly is it to put 'on' (yes, I know it depends on
>> the size
>> of what you're putting it on to)? How frequently do they leak
>> between the condom bit and flesh bit, or between the condom bit and
>> the pipe bit? There
>> must be some dead space between the flesh and the outside; how easy
>> is it to
>> purge this afterwards, without pouring it down your drysuit leg?
>> Balanced or not balanced? Is there any detrimental affect on your
>> wedding tackle through being strapped into a condom for hours on end?
>> What happens if you
>> forget you've fitted it and roll your dry suit off...? How easy is
>> the valve to turn on and off on the outside of the suit; any chance
>> of unscrewing it too far and loosing the nut into the depths?
>>
>> On the other hand, it does sound very nice to be able to relieve
>> oneself under water, and not have to worry about that desperate exit
>> and rapid de-kit in order to bare your entire shivering torso to the
>> atlantic gale and
>> take a leak.
>>
>> Any advice please. Are there different makes - are some better than
>> others?
>> How much should it cost to spend a penny? All I've seen so far is a
>> pdf for
>> the halycon version.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> M.
>>
>> (This is a serious post; I'm not taking the piss.)
>
> There is an alternative of course. Wear one of those sheath thingies
> in any case, but rather than make any hole in the suit which MUST be a
> point of weakness, connect a collecting bag to the sheath. This is
> then strapped to the leg. Sure, a suit squeeze would also squeeze the
> bag and its contents, so you need to keep some air in. Also you need a
> slack enough fitting leg in order that the bag can expand into it. The
> limiting factor is of course that there is a limit to what any bag can
> hold. This system would not be perfect and leaks can occur, but so can
> any other system. Visit your local surgical appliance centre.
>
> Ken
>
>
>

There are always incontinence pads - Pampers for big boys

Chris Q

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>
> "McBad" <mcbad@NOSPAMglobalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:E5udnaTbzM704pvfRVnygw@brightview.com...
>> My kidneys like to go into over-drive as soon as they get anywhere
>> near water, so I'm wondering about whacking a hole in my new dry suit
>> and fitting
>> one of these.
>>
>> On the one hand it goes against the grain to put a hole in a new suit
>> which
>> then has the potential for leaking very cold water over one's most
>> delicate
>> bits. I also wonder about how bulky the fitting glued inside the
>> suit is; is it likely to dig into your leg as you drag yourself back
>> over the side of
>> the boat? How fiddly is it to put 'on' (yes, I know it depends on
>> the size
>> of what you're putting it on to)? How frequently do they leak
>> between the condom bit and flesh bit, or between the condom bit and
>> the pipe bit? There
>> must be some dead space between the flesh and the outside; how easy
>> is it to
>> purge this afterwards, without pouring it down your drysuit leg?
>> Balanced or not balanced? Is there any detrimental affect on your
>> wedding tackle through being strapped into a condom for hours on end?
>> What happens if you
>> forget you've fitted it and roll your dry suit off...? How easy is
>> the valve to turn on and off on the outside of the suit; any chance
>> of unscrewing it too far and loosing the nut into the depths?
>>
>> On the other hand, it does sound very nice to be able to relieve
>> oneself under water, and not have to worry about that desperate exit
>> and rapid de-kit in order to bare your entire shivering torso to the
>> atlantic gale and
>> take a leak.
>>
>> Any advice please. Are there different makes - are some better than
>> others?
>> How much should it cost to spend a penny? All I've seen so far is a
>> pdf for
>> the halycon version.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> M.
>>
>> (This is a serious post; I'm not taking the piss.)
>
> There is an alternative of course. Wear one of those sheath thingies
> in any case, but rather than make any hole in the suit which MUST be a
> point of weakness, connect a collecting bag to the sheath. This is
> then strapped to the leg. Sure, a suit squeeze would also squeeze the
> bag and its contents, so you need to keep some air in. Also you need a
> slack enough fitting leg in order that the bag can expand into it. The
> limiting factor is of course that there is a limit to what any bag can
> hold. This system would not be perfect and leaks can occur, but so can
> any other system. Visit your local surgical appliance centre.
>
> Ken
>
>
>

There are always incontinence pads - Pampers for big boys

Chris Q

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>
> "McBad" <mcbad@NOSPAMglobalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:E5udnaTbzM704pvfRVnygw@brightview.com...
>> My kidneys like to go into over-drive as soon as they get anywhere
>> near water, so I'm wondering about whacking a hole in my new dry suit
>> and fitting
>> one of these.
>>
>> On the one hand it goes against the grain to put a hole in a new suit
>> which
>> then has the potential for leaking very cold water over one's most
>> delicate
>> bits. I also wonder about how bulky the fitting glued inside the
>> suit is; is it likely to dig into your leg as you drag yourself back
>> over the side of
>> the boat? How fiddly is it to put 'on' (yes, I know it depends on
>> the size
>> of what you're putting it on to)? How frequently do they leak
>> between the condom bit and flesh bit, or between the condom bit and
>> the pipe bit? There
>> must be some dead space between the flesh and the outside; how easy
>> is it to
>> purge this afterwards, without pouring it down your drysuit leg?
>> Balanced or not balanced? Is there any detrimental affect on your
>> wedding tackle through being strapped into a condom for hours on end?
>> What happens if you
>> forget you've fitted it and roll your dry suit off...? How easy is
>> the valve to turn on and off on the outside of the suit; any chance
>> of unscrewing it too far and loosing the nut into the depths?
>>
>> On the other hand, it does sound very nice to be able to relieve
>> oneself under water, and not have to worry about that desperate exit
>> and rapid de-kit in order to bare your entire shivering torso to the
>> atlantic gale and
>> take a leak.
>>
>> Any advice please. Are there different makes - are some better than
>> others?
>> How much should it cost to spend a penny? All I've seen so far is a
>> pdf for
>> the halycon version.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> M.
>>
>> (This is a serious post; I'm not taking the piss.)
>
> There is an alternative of course. Wear one of those sheath thingies
> in any case, but rather than make any hole in the suit which MUST be a
> point of weakness, connect a collecting bag to the sheath. This is
> then strapped to the leg. Sure, a suit squeeze would also squeeze the
> bag and its contents, so you need to keep some air in. Also you need a
> slack enough fitting leg in order that the bag can expand into it. The
> limiting factor is of course that there is a limit to what any bag can
> hold. This system would not be perfect and leaks can occur, but so can
> any other system. Visit your local surgical appliance centre.
>
> Ken
>
>
>

There are always incontinence pads - Pampers for big boys

Chris Q

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>
> "McBad" <mcbad@NOSPAMglobalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:E5udnaTbzM704pvfRVnygw@brightview.com...
>> My kidneys like to go into over-drive as soon as they get anywhere
>> near water, so I'm wondering about whacking a hole in my new dry suit
>> and fitting
>> one of these.
>>
>> On the one hand it goes against the grain to put a hole in a new suit
>> which
>> then has the potential for leaking very cold water over one's most
>> delicate
>> bits. I also wonder about how bulky the fitting glued inside the
>> suit is; is it likely to dig into your leg as you drag yourself back
>> over the side of
>> the boat? How fiddly is it to put 'on' (yes, I know it depends on
>> the size
>> of what you're putting it on to)? How frequently do they leak
>> between the condom bit and flesh bit, or between the condom bit and
>> the pipe bit? There
>> must be some dead space between the flesh and the outside; how easy
>> is it to
>> purge this afterwards, without pouring it down your drysuit leg?
>> Balanced or not balanced? Is there any detrimental affect on your
>> wedding tackle through being strapped into a condom for hours on end?
>> What happens if you
>> forget you've fitted it and roll your dry suit off...? How easy is
>> the valve to turn on and off on the outside of the suit; any chance
>> of unscrewing it too far and loosing the nut into the depths?
>>
>> On the other hand, it does sound very nice to be able to relieve
>> oneself under water, and not have to worry about that desperate exit
>> and rapid de-kit in order to bare your entire shivering torso to the
>> atlantic gale and
>> take a leak.
>>
>> Any advice please. Are there different makes - are some better than
>> others?
>> How much should it cost to spend a penny? All I've seen so far is a
>> pdf for
>> the halycon version.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> M.
>>
>> (This is a serious post; I'm not taking the piss.)
>
> There is an alternative of course. Wear one of those sheath thingies
> in any case, but rather than make any hole in the suit which MUST be a
> point of weakness, connect a collecting bag to the sheath. This is
> then strapped to the leg. Sure, a suit squeeze would also squeeze the
> bag and its contents, so you need to keep some air in. Also you need a
> slack enough fitting leg in order that the bag can expand into it. The
> limiting factor is of course that there is a limit to what any bag can
> hold. This system would not be perfect and leaks can occur, but so can
> any other system. Visit your local surgical appliance centre.
>
> Ken
>
>
>

There are always incontinence pads - Pampers for big boys

Chris Q

"Ken" <ken@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> lovingly inscribed in
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>
> "McBad" <mcbad@NOSPAMglobalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:E5udnaTbzM704pvfRVnygw@brightview.com...
>> My kidneys like to go into over-drive as soon as they get anywhere
>> near water, so I'm wondering about whacking a hole in my new dry suit
>> and fitting
>> one of these.
>>
>> On the one hand it goes against the grain to put a hole in a new suit
>> which
>> then has the potential for leaking very cold water over one's most
>> delicate
>> bits. I also wonder about how bulky the fitting glued inside the
>> suit is; is it likely to dig into your leg as you drag yourself back
>> over the side of
>> the boat? How fiddly is it to put 'on' (yes, I know it depends on
>> the size
>> of what you're putting it on to)? How frequently do they leak
>> between the condom bit and flesh bit, or between the condom bit and
>> the pipe bit? There
>> must be some dead space between the flesh and the outside; how easy
>> is it to
>> purge this afterwards, without pouring it down your drysuit leg?
>> Balanced or not balanced? Is there any detrimental affect on your
>> wedding tackle through being strapped into a condom for hours on end?
>> What happens if you
>> forget you've fitted it and roll your dry suit off...? How easy is
>> the valve to turn on and off on the outside of the suit; any chance
>> of unscrewing it too far and loosing the nut into the depths?
>>
>> On the other hand, it does sound very nice to be able to relieve
>> oneself under water, and not have to worry about that desperate exit
>> and rapid de-kit in order to bare your entire shivering torso to the
>> atlantic gale and
>> take a leak.
>>
>> Any advice please. Are there different makes - are some better than
>> others?
>> How much should it cost to spend a penny? All I've seen so far is a
>> pdf for
>> the halycon version.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> M.
>>
>> (This is a serious post; I'm not taking the piss.)
>
> There is an alternative of course. Wear one of those sheath thingies
> in any case, but rather than make any hole in the suit which MUST be a
> point of weakness, connect a collecting bag to the sheath. This is
> then strapped to the leg. Sure, a suit squeeze would also squeeze the
> bag and its contents, so you need to keep some air in. Also you need a
> slack enough fitting leg in order that the bag can expand into it. The
> limiting factor is of course that there is a limit to what any bag can
> hold. This system would not be perfect and leaks can occur, but so can
> any other system. Visit your local surgical appliance centre.
>
> Ken
>
>
>

There are always incontinence pads - Pampers for big boys

Chris Q

"Ken" <ken@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> lovingly inscribed in
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>
> "McBad" <mcbad@NOSPAMglobalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:E5udnaTbzM704pvfRVnygw@brightview.com...
>> My kidneys like to go into over-drive as soon as they get anywhere
>> near water, so I'm wondering about whacking a hole in my new dry suit
>> and fitting
>> one of these.
>>
>> On the one hand it goes against the grain to put a hole in a new suit
>> which
>> then has the potential for leaking very cold water over one's most
>> delicate
>> bits. I also wonder about how bulky the fitting glued inside the
>> suit is; is it likely to dig into your leg as you drag yourself back
>> over the side of
>> the boat? How fiddly is it to put 'on' (yes, I know it depends on
>> the size
>> of what you're putting it on to)? How frequently do they leak
>> between the condom bit and flesh bit, or between the condom bit and
>> the pipe bit? There
>> must be some dead space between the flesh and the outside; how easy
>> is it to
>> purge this afterwards, without pouring it down your drysuit leg?
>> Balanced or not balanced? Is there any detrimental affect on your
>> wedding tackle through being strapped into a condom for hours on end?
>> What happens if you
>> forget you've fitted it and roll your dry suit off...? How easy is
>> the valve to turn on and off on the outside of the suit; any chance
>> of unscrewing it too far and loosing the nut into the depths?
>>
>> On the other hand, it does sound very nice to be able to relieve
>> oneself under water, and not have to worry about that desperate exit
>> and rapid de-kit in order to bare your entire shivering torso to the
>> atlantic gale and
>> take a leak.
>>
>> Any advice please. Are there different makes - are some better than
>> others?
>> How much should it cost to spend a penny? All I've seen so far is a
>> pdf for
>> the halycon version.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> M.
>>
>> (This is a serious post; I'm not taking the piss.)
>
> There is an alternative of course. Wear one of those sheath thingies
> in any case, but rather than make any hole in the suit which MUST be a
> point of weakness, connect a collecting bag to the sheath. This is
> then strapped to the leg. Sure, a suit squeeze would also squeeze the
> bag and its contents, so you need to keep some air in. Also you need a
> slack enough fitting leg in order that the bag can expand into it. The
> limiting factor is of course that there is a limit to what any bag can
> hold. This system would not be perfect and leaks can occur, but so can
> any other system. Visit your local surgical appliance centre.
>
> Ken
>
>
>

There are always incontinence pads - Pampers for big boys

Chris Q

In article <E5udnaTbzM704pvfRVnygw@brightview.com>,
McBad <mcbad@NOSPAMglobalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>My kidneys like to go into over-drive as soon as they get anywhere near
>water, so I'm wondering about whacking a hole in my new dry suit and fitting
>one of these.
>
>On the one hand it goes against the grain to put a hole in a new suit which
>then has the potential for leaking very cold water over one's most delicate
>bits. I also wonder about how bulky the fitting glued inside the suit is;
>is it likely to dig into your leg as you drag yourself back over the side of
>the boat? How fiddly is it to put 'on' (yes, I know it depends on the size
>of what you're putting it on to)? How frequently do they leak between the
>condom bit and flesh bit, or between the condom bit and the pipe bit? There
>must be some dead space between the flesh and the outside; how easy is it to
>purge this afterwards, without pouring it down your drysuit leg? Balanced
>or not balanced? Is there any detrimental affect on your wedding tackle
>through being strapped into a condom for hours on end? What happens if you
>forget you've fitted it and roll your dry suit off...? How easy is the
>valve to turn on and off on the outside of the suit; any chance of
>unscrewing it too far and loosing the nut into the depths?

You worry too much.

>On the other hand, it does sound very nice to be able to relieve oneself
>under water, and not have to worry about that desperate exit and rapid
>de-kit in order to bare your entire shivering torso to the atlantic gale and
>take a leak.
>
>Any advice please. Are there different makes - are some better than others?
>How much should it cost to spend a penny? All I've seen so far is a pdf for
>the halycon version.

Look up the O'Three one - http://www.othree.co.uk/ They'll fit it for you.
(to the suit that is!)

I've been using one for many years now. Won't be without it on the longer &
deeper dives. Sure, it's not been without problems, but the benefits far
outweigh any problems!

Gordon

In article <E5udnaTbzM704pvfRVnygw@brightview.com>,
McBad <mcbad@NOSPAMglobalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>My kidneys like to go into over-drive as soon as they get anywhere near
>water, so I'm wondering about whacking a hole in my new dry suit and fitting
>one of these.
>
>On the one hand it goes against the grain to put a hole in a new suit which
>then has the potential for leaking very cold water over one's most delicate
>bits. I also wonder about how bulky the fitting glued inside the suit is;
>is it likely to dig into your leg as you drag yourself back over the side of
>the boat? How fiddly is it to put 'on' (yes, I know it depends on the size
>of what you're putting it on to)? How frequently do they leak between the
>condom bit and flesh bit, or between the condom bit and the pipe bit? There
>must be some dead space between the flesh and the outside; how easy is it to
>purge this afterwards, without pouring it down your drysuit leg? Balanced
>or not balanced? Is there any detrimental affect on your wedding tackle
>through being strapped into a condom for hours on end? What happens if you
>forget you've fitted it and roll your dry suit off...? How easy is the
>valve to turn on and off on the outside of the suit; any chance of
>unscrewing it too far and loosing the nut into the depths?

You worry too much.

>On the other hand, it does sound very nice to be able to relieve oneself
>under water, and not have to worry about that desperate exit and rapid
>de-kit in order to bare your entire shivering torso to the atlantic gale and
>take a leak.
>
>Any advice please. Are there different makes - are some better than others?
>How much should it cost to spend a penny? All I've seen so far is a pdf for
>the halycon version.

Look up the O'Three one - http://www.othree.co.uk/ They'll fit it for you.
(to the suit that is!)

I've been using one for many years now. Won't be without it on the longer &
deeper dives. Sure, it's not been without problems, but the benefits far
outweigh any problems!

Gordon