OT: Dolphins in Washington waters

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/12/dol....ap/index.html

On Apr 13, 7:34 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/12/dol....ap/index.html

I saw this story on the local news. I did wonder if the dolphins can
deal with our water temps - I've seen nothing that addresses this,
yet.

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"Star" <lclee1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 13, 7:34 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/12/dol....ap/index.html
>
> I saw this story on the local news. I did wonder if the dolphins can
> deal with our water temps - I've seen nothing that addresses this,
> yet.

I know they have had them up here before, and they also use sea lions.

They are studying the issue, as indicated in the article;

"The Navy's plan to ship marine mammals to Washington state is still in its
early stages.
Officials aim to complete an environmental impact report by the fall."

And, of course, the Moonbats: http://knittingfordolphins.com/

On Apr 13, 10:24 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Star" <lcl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176478877.928027.267440@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > On Apr 13, 7:34 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/12/dol....ap/index.html
>
> > I saw this story on the local news. I did wonder if the dolphins can
> > deal with our water temps - I've seen nothing that addresses this,
> > yet.
>
> I know they have had them up here before, and they also use sea lions.
>
> They are studying the issue, as indicated in the article;
>
> "The Navy's plan to ship marine mammals to Washington state is still in its
> early stages.
> Officials aim to complete an environmental impact report by the fall."
>
> And, of course, the Moonbats:http://knittingfordolphins.com/

from the Wasington Post article, linked from the Monbat article"

To comply with the federal judge's order to study the effect of cold
water on bottlenose dolphins, the Navy has in recent years transported
them to waters off Maine, Alaska and Scandinavia.

"The animals did fine," LaPuzza said, but he noted that they spent
most of their time in heated enclosures. In Puget Sound, the animals
would have heated pens and would be exposed to cold water in short
shifts.


********Moonbat diatribe to follow: **********

But skeptics such as Naomi A. Rose, a marine mammal scientist for the
Humane Society of the United States, said that dolphins, a highly
social and intelligent species, should not be held captive for any
reason. She particularly objects, on ethical grounds, to their being
used for military purposes.

"They are not reliable soldiers," she said. "They think they are just
having fun."

Rose said the Navy's marine mammal center in San Diego provides the
best veterinarian care in the United States. But keeping dolphins in
captivity in a noisy harbor and transporting them around the world
causes too much stress, she said. Citing a U.S. government database,
she said captive dolphins live about as long as their wild cousins,
but no longer. Given that Navy dolphins have medical care, abundant
food and protection from predators, Rose said it is worrisome that
they do not live longer. She blames stress. The lifespan of a dolphin
in the wild is about 30 years.

The Navy says that Rose is wrong and that its dolphins do live
considerably longer than creatures in the wild. Everyone agrees that
sea lions live longer in the Navy program, mostly because they are
protected from sharks and killer whales.

In the four decades that the Navy has been training dolphins -- and
taking them on periodic "open ocean walks" where they are free to
escape -- nine dolphins have done just that. Rose suggests that the
dolphins went AWOL because they preferred life in the wild. The Navy
disagrees.

"The way we look at it is they got lost and they are trying to find us
as hard as we are trying to find them," LaPuzza said. The
disappearances stopped 10 years ago when the Navy outfitted its
dolphins with electronic tracking devices called pectoral fin pingers.

A decision on whether Navy dolphins and sea lions will come to Puget
Sound is expected to take at least a year. While they wait, dolphin
admirers on Bainbridge Island will knit.

"We are looking for neoprene yarn," Bailey said.

"Star" <lclee1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> ********Moonbat diatribe to follow: **********

> But skeptics such as Naomi A. Rose, a marine mammal scientist for the
> Humane Society of the United States, said that dolphins, a highly
> social and intelligent species, should not be held captive for any
> reason. She particularly objects, on ethical grounds, to their being
> used for military purposes.

> "They are not reliable soldiers," she said. "They think they are just
> having fun."

<chainsaw>

These are idiots, they know nothing about the training, and they certainly
have no ability to "channel" the dolphins thoughts, let alone "speak" for
them.
Kinda like Cindy Sheehan assuming to speak for all military moms, only more
stupid.

Get a fucking life. They have nothing better to do but second guess, with
their guess based in pure ignorance of facts and emotional hyperbole, and
make trouble. The dolphins are having fun, they like the job, they like the
attention and they like and seek interaction with humans.

Good thing the US has a strong military so dumb shits like these are safe
and free to be as stupid as they can be.

On Apr 13, 11:15 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Star" <lcl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176487350.058274.317960@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > ********Moonbat diatribe to follow: **********
> > But skeptics such as Naomi A. Rose, a marine mammal scientist for the
> > Humane Society of the United States, said that dolphins, a highly
> > social and intelligent species, should not be held captive for any
> > reason. She particularly objects, on ethical grounds, to their being
> > used for military purposes.
> > "They are not reliable soldiers," she said. "They think they are just
> > having fun."
>
> <chainsaw>
>
> These are idiots, they know nothing about the training, and they certainly
> have no ability to "channel" the dolphins thoughts, let alone "speak" for
> them.
> Kinda like Cindy Sheehan assuming to speak for all military moms, only more
> stupid.
>
> Get a fucking life. They have nothing better to do but second guess, with
> their guess based in pure ignorance of facts and emotional hyperbole, and
> make trouble. The dolphins are having fun, they like the job, they like the
> attention and they like and seek interaction with humans.
>
> Good thing the US has a strong military so dumb shits like these are safe
> and free to be as stupid as they can be.

Freedom does have its issues Morons in the media, for example.

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"Star" <lclee1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 13, 10:24 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> >
> > And, of course, the Moonbats:http://knittingfordolphins.com/
>
> from the Wasington Post article, linked from the Monbat article"
>
> To comply with the federal judge's order to study the effect of cold
> water on bottlenose dolphins, the Navy has in recent years transported
> them to waters off Maine, Alaska and Scandinavia.
>
> "The animals did fine," LaPuzza said, but he noted that they spent
> most of their time in heated enclosures. In Puget Sound, the animals
> would have heated pens and would be exposed to cold water in short
> shifts.
>
>
> ********Moonbat diatribe to follow: **********
>
> But skeptics such as Naomi A. Rose, a marine mammal scientist for the
> Humane Society of the United States, said that dolphins, a highly
> social and intelligent species, should not be held captive for any
> reason. She particularly objects, on ethical grounds, to their being
> used for military purposes.
>
> "They are not reliable soldiers," she said. "They think they are just
> having fun."

Don't Marines often think they're having fun in combat, and they're pretty
reliable soldiers.


Dennis

On Apr 14, 5:09 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
wrote:
> "Star" <lcl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176487350.058274.317960@n59g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 10:24 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > > And, of course, the Moonbats:http://knittingfordolphins.com/
>
> > from the Wasington Post article, linked from the Monbat article"
>
> > To comply with the federal judge's order to study the effect of cold
> > water on bottlenose dolphins, the Navy has in recent years transported
> > them to waters off Maine, Alaska and Scandinavia.
>
> > "The animals did fine," LaPuzza said, but he noted that they spent
> > most of their time in heated enclosures. In Puget Sound, the animals
> > would have heated pens and would be exposed to cold water in short
> > shifts.
>
> > ********Moonbat diatribe to follow: **********
>
> > But skeptics such as Naomi A. Rose, a marine mammal scientist for the
> > Humane Society of the United States, said that dolphins, a highly
> > social and intelligent species, should not be held captive for any
> > reason. She particularly objects, on ethical grounds, to their being
> > used for military purposes.
>
> > "They are not reliable soldiers," she said. "They think they are just
> > having fun."
>
> Don't Marines often think they're having fun in combat, and they're pretty
> reliable soldiers.
>
>
> Dennis

Not having ever been a Marine, I can't answer that. Someone here will
speak from experience, I'm sure.

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On Apr 13, 11:15 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> These are idiots, they know nothing about the training, and they certainly
> have no ability to "channel" the dolphins thoughts, let alone "speak" for
> them.

> Get a fucking life. They have nothing better to do but second guess, with
> their guess based in pure ignorance of facts and emotional hyperbole, and
> make trouble. The dolphins are having fun, they like the job, they like the
> attention and they like and seek interaction with humans.

So apparently you do have the ability to channel the dolphins'
thoughts and speak for them? How fun could it be to be removed from
one's natural home and forced to swim in cold water?

> Good thing the US has a strong military so dumb shits like these are safe
> and free to be as stupid as they can be.

Strong military? We're near the breaking point. If Grenada attacks
us now, we're done for.

On 15 Apr 2007 16:53:44 -0700, "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com>
wrote:
> How fun could it be to be removed from
> one's natural home and forced to swim
> in cold water?

Hmmm... I thought you were originally from SoCal...