Re: Deaths up since Florida helmet law repealed

"Grumman-581" wrote

>> I never wore a helmet while riding a bicycle. Nor did most of us.
>
> I still don't wear a helmet while riding a bicycle... If I was into
> mountain biking, I might find one more useful... I do wear a helmet
> with motorcycles though... Technically, one could just as easy kill
> one's self with a head injury on a bicycle, but my experience from the
> various bike wrecks that I had as a kid have shown that I'm usually
> moving slow enough that my arms absorb most of the impact...

Started wearing one for bicycle racing in '77, and for all bicycle
riding by '81. The distance the head falls is greater on traditional
bicycles, in that way the risk of head injury is greater. Have seen a
rider's helmet impaled in a pick-up truck windshield, the paramedics
unbuckled it to separate the person from the truck.....he was treated,
observed, and released next day. My personal tally, broke 3 helmets while
in use, one probably prevented my right ear from being shorn off on the
asphalt as well as eased the impact. Guess I should admit to a little more
forward momentum than you're refering to, following the arc of the front
wheel way too fast to hit other than crown first. Maybe that's what really
happened to me.

Never did care for the movement to make them mandatory, except won't argue
for children, but we had a name for those who always had an excuse not to
use one.......organ donor.

Curtis

"Joe English" <jenglish@wisperhome.com> wrote in message
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> seat belt laws aren't about safety it is about money

Interesting perspective. Why do you say that?

""Magilla"" <cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Scott" wrote
>
> > Head injuries are the leading cause of death in car wrecks too, but no
one
> > is pushing a helmet law for drivers.
>
> Maybe because head injuries was also the leading cause of political
> injuries last administration? Then again, the mandatory wearing of the
> tin-foil caps......

Creates morons with the right to vote.

Lets legislate willful liars.

The left would be decimated.

Thus spake "Grumman-581" <grumman581@gmail.com> :

>Greg Mossman wrote:
>> Seatbelt laws, mandatory head rests, air bags, safety glass, and a host of
>> other laws help prevent head injuries.
>
>And helmets in cars would prevent more... You don't see that many race
>car drivers killed in all the wrecks that they have and they don't have
>air bags... They have helmets and good restraint systems... Probably
>cheaper than air bags also...

Carol went nuts when I paid $800 for my HANS. But she won't let me
race without it.

>
>> Perhaps they should require seatbelts on motorcycles instead of helmets.
>> I'll lobby my local congressman.
>
>Hmmm... Seatbelts on motorcycles... Now, that's a scary thought... I've
>had to lay a few bikes down over the years and the last thing that I
>wanted was to be anywhere near the bike during the accident...

"bike in front, bike in front, bike in front"

what I kept telling myself when I hit the marbles while road racing.

--
dillon

Pain is Nature's way of saying "that was stupid"

In article <9mclf1pvkadjn3rgl5vktn4nvr8pq4khko@4ax.com>, Dillon Pyron
<dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote:

€ Thus spake "Grumman-581" <grumman581@gmail.com> :
€
€ >Greg Mossman wrote:
€ >> Seatbelt laws, mandatory head rests, air bags, safety glass, and a host of
€ >> other laws help prevent head injuries.
€ >
€ >And helmets in cars would prevent more... You don't see that many race
€ >car drivers killed in all the wrecks that they have and they don't have
€ >air bags... They have helmets and good restraint systems... Probably
€ >cheaper than air bags also...
€
€ Carol went nuts when I paid $800 for my HANS. But she won't let me
€ race without it.
€

Keeping Mr. Head attached to Mr. Spine is a good thing. Just ask Mrs.
Earhardt

Alan Street wrote:

> In article <9mclf1pvkadjn3rgl5vktn4nvr8pq4khko@4ax.com>, Dillon Pyron
> <dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> € Thus spake "Grumman-581" <grumman581@gmail.com> :
> €
> € >Greg Mossman wrote:
> € >> Seatbelt laws, mandatory head rests, air bags, safety glass, and a host of
> € >> other laws help prevent head injuries.
> € >
> € >And helmets in cars would prevent more... You don't see that many race
> € >car drivers killed in all the wrecks that they have and they don't have
> € >air bags... They have helmets and good restraint systems... Probably
> € >cheaper than air bags also...
> €
> € Carol went nuts when I paid $800 for my HANS. But she won't let me
> € race without it.
> €
>
> Keeping Mr. Head attached to Mr. Spine is a good thing. Just ask Mrs.
> Earhardt


Autotopsy shows head was attached - just a slight dislocation on C-6

"Joe English" <jenglish@wisperhome.com> wrote in message
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> The seat belt law(enacted here long before Bush) is just another way for
> the cops to stick their nose into your car

Perhaps, but that still doesn't mean it's about the money. Any criminal
dumb enough to get caught for not wearing a seatbelt deserves to get caught.

And of course it was enacted long before Bush. Seat belts, like other
safety devices, cost the automakers money and they aren't great selling
points. Bush, the corporate kiss-ass that he is, would never sacrifice
corporate profits for the sake of public safety.

Grumman-581 wrote:


> And helmets in cars would prevent more... You don't see that many race
> car drivers killed in all the wrecks that they have and they don't have
> air bags... They have helmets and good restraint systems... Probably
> cheaper than air bags also...

Helmets would save a few drivers, but in most crashes severe enough to cause a fatal
head injury a helmet would probably just mean dying of chest trauma instead. Good
restraint systems and a real roll cage would probably do a shitload more for safety
than helmets. Having the average driver be half as skilled as the lowliest rookie on
the track would do even more.

--
Steve

The above can be construed as personal opinion in the absence of a reasonable
belief that it was intended as a statement of fact.

If you want a reply to reach me, remove the SPAMTRAP from the address.

"Steve" wrote in message news:tpBKe.8377$%w.5220@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Helmets would save a few drivers, but in most crashes severe
> enough to cause a fatal head injury a helmet would probably
> just mean dying of chest trauma instead.

Good retraint systems are rather lacking on most autos... Many years ago, I
had a Baja Bug with a 4-point hookup on it... There's a certain feeling of
confidence when you're upside down and still attached firmly to your seat...

> restraint systems and a real roll cage would probably do a shitload
> more for safety than helmets.

Yep, wrecks should not compromise the interior of the vehicle... It's OK for
the crumple zones to be outside of the passenger area, but the passenger
area should remain intact regardless of the wreck... Keep the passenger
compartment intact, the occupants from bouncing around in the interior, and
protect the head and you'll significantly reduce the seriousness of most
accidents... It's all about disipating the energy of the crash... Those
sudden stops at the end really suck...

> Having the average driver be half as skilled as the
> lowliest rookie on the track would do even more.

Awh hell, I thought we were discussing something that was *possible*...

Greg Mossman wrote:

> "Joe English" <jenglish@wisperhome.com> wrote in message
> news:2cf08$42fabbab$ce504822$26519@allthenewsgroup s.com...
>
>
>>The seat belt law(enacted here long before Bush) is just another way for
>>the cops to stick their nose into your car
>
>
> Perhaps, but that still doesn't mean it's about the money. Any criminal
> dumb enough to get caught for not wearing a seatbelt deserves to get caught.
>
> And of course it was enacted long before Bush. Seat belts, like other
> safety devices, cost the automakers money and they aren't great selling
> points. Bush, the corporate kiss-ass that he is, would never sacrifice
> corporate profits for the sake of public safety.
>
>
NUmber 1 reason for seat belts - money, and allowing police to stop and
issue you a ticket and get their nose in your car and in your business -
nothing to do with safety