Re: Thousands stage anti-war protest

"BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>> "BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>>Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>>"BarryNL" <n@n.nl> wrote in message
>>>>news:433afe89$0$11080$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl. ..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Have you looked at the demographics of the US army recently?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Cite.
>>>>
>>>>Or shut the fuck up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>They're
>>>>>people willing to die rather than spend a life unemployed. I doubt many
>>>>>GI Joes have much of an ideological commitment to their job.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What a moron.
>>>>
>>>>No, you're beyond a moron, you are lower than whale shit.
>>>>
>>>>Do you even know anyone serving in the Army?
>>>>
>>>>Many have college degrees (necessary to be an officer).
>>>>
>>>>Many have re-enlisted, despite the dangers and the fact that America
>>>>hating
>>>>liberal shitbags like you make their job more dangerous with every lie
>>>>you
>>>>tell.
>>>>
>>>>You dont have the balls to serve, so you have to find a reason to look
>>>>down
>>>>upon those who do.
>>>>
>>>>Guys like you are a dime a hundred dozen; garden variety coward
>>>>masquerading
>>>>as an intellectual.
>>>
>>>Y'know Scott, this level of anger can't be good for your blood pressure.
>>>Take a deep breath.
>>
>>
>> You highly over rate your import or impact.
>>
>> We know who you are, what you are, and more importantly, why you are.
>>
>> It's old news around here, College Boy.
>
> Heh, I love that: 'college boy' as an insult. Amazing that some people
> would rather glory in ignorance than do a little studying.

It never ceases to amaze us that your kind would think that lack of a
formal degree precludes education.

Or that whatever degree you hold is worth wiping your butt with.

I'm a highschool drop out.

Could have attended two universities for free.

My father was the director of the PhD program, SOB, UMass, USCarolina.

Mom was a psych professer.

I'm inducted into the Hall of Fame for my particular profession.

Name engraved in gold, ect.

Perpetuity, all that.

Let me know when you acheive that status, junior.

I hold 7 Master's certifications in that field, making me at one time one
of the top 30 technicians in the country (and thus, the world).

I also have licenses and Journeyman's certifications in several other
professions, such as welding and steam locomotive operation.

And I've been making people like you look foolish with the written word
since '98...

College boy.

>
> --
> "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from
> him. An investment in Knowledge always pays the best Interest." - Benjamin
> Franklin

Dennis (Icarus) wrote:
> "BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Dennis (Icarus) wrote:
>>
>>>"BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>news:433b9c85$0$11071$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl.. .
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>>>
>>>>Lee Bell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"BarryNL" wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>You have numbers from a highly questionable source. I have direct
>>>>>>>experience. Guess which one is more reliable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know which is more reliable, and it ain't experience.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It is for the rational people in the world. Sorry about you.
>>>>
>>>>No, only for people who have never studied any social sciences. If you
>>>>had you'd find that the first thing you learn in your very first lecture
>>>>is: Don't rely on personal experience. Still, I have a university
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>So....you're relying on your education (which is a "personal
>
> experience") to
>
>>>tell you not to rely on "personal experience".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>education in studying social sciences, you clearly don't; so I think
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'll admit, I dont have a university education studying social science.
>
> I
>
>>>thought comuter science & mathematics were much more useful
>>>
>>
>>Ah, then I'm sure you're used to listening to end users telling you how
>>to build software based on their 'experience' of using computers.
>
>
> Barry, the way it works is they tell us what they'd like tom see.
> We then determine how to build it.
>

Ah, I've actually worked for nearly 20 years as a software developer you
see. I find users who 'do a bit of Visual Basic at home' tend to have
some very interesting ideas on how I should do my job.

>>I assume you would at least admit that the design patterns and
>>development paradigms you learnt in computer science, based on hundreds
>>of man-years of collective study and experience, were better than
>>anything you would have been able to figure out using only your own
>>experience. And as for maths - well, would you have ever even have got
>
>
> Oh, you mean like structured pro...no wait...its object or...no wait...its
> component softw....no wait...its now design patt..
>
>
>
>>as far as simultaneous equations on your own?
>
>
> Sound a might defensive, Barry - why's that?
>

'cos I also studied maths and computers at college - I like to think it
was more worthwhile than trying to figure it out for myself.

--
"If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from
him. An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." -
Benjamin Franklin

"BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Actually they mostly used goats. Kind of tells you the value of the "guy
> with the balls to do the dive" - that he can just as easily be a goat.

What an idiot.

Ever hear of NEDU?

> Don't get me wrong, I admire guys like Sheck Exley

He killed himself.

> - but I'm sure even
> he realised that with proper time and money a lot of the stuff he
> learned about mixed gas diving could have been done more safely and
> comprehensively with goats.

I am sure you believe that.

"Froggy" <hub666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Scott a écrit :

> Actually, "they" had a theory and hypothesis that was tempered a great
deal
> by empirical evidence; often what they learned was how wrong their science
> was.
>
> And even the best scientists had to depend upon a guy with the balls to do
> the dive,

> I think that they depended on a large number of guys doing a large
> number of dives so that they could do... statistics, too.

Sure, but the statistics came after, and it wasnt all based upon goats.

Scott a écrit :

> "Froggy" <hub666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Scott a écrit :
>
> > Actually, "they" had a theory and hypothesis that was tempered a great
> deal
> > by empirical evidence; often what they learned was how wrong their science
> > was.
> >
> > And even the best scientists had to depend upon a guy with the balls todo
> > the dive,
>
> > I think that they depended on a large number of guys doing a large
> > number of dives so that they could do... statistics, too.
>
> Sure, but the statistics came after, and it wasnt all based upon goats.

*I* never mentionned goats.

Now Barry and you seem to have a fixation with these beasts...

Cheers,

Froggy

BarryNL wrote:

>
> No, but the best divers - those who wrote the deco tables and the gas
> laws we use today - didn't do it just by experience. They did it by
> study and scientific experiment: college boy work.

Indeed. In some cases, college pigs and goats as well.

And I suggest that most of these college boys did not know
that they would end up making dekompression tables when
still college boys.
Except when they were busy carrying boxes with Hollerith
cards for their professors.

Matthias

BarryNL wrote:

> In the end experience means shit, and statistics is what it is all about.

No.

>
> No single person can ever have enough experience to be able to comment
> meaningfully on social issues. Only a statistical approach which can
> extrapolate the experience of millions can come close. Although the
> social sciences of course use qualitative evidence heavily too when
> attempting to interpret statistics.

In short, Statistics model and suggest a "how", while
experience gives you "why". Provided you know "how" fom the
statistics.

Matthias

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:16:37 -0700, "Scott"
<pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>"BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Y'know Scott, this level of anger can't be good for your blood pressure.
>> Take a deep breath.
>
>Oh, I am not mad at all, and it takes a lot more man and intelligence than
>you'll ever encompass to piss me off.

Thank you. 8)

JF


Don't Get Stuck On Stupid

Froggy wrote:
> Scott a écrit :
>
>
>>"Froggy" <hub666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1128001158.160112.314580@o13g2000cwo.google groups.com...
>>
>>Scott a écrit :
>>
>>
>>>Actually, "they" had a theory and hypothesis that was tempered a great
>>
>>deal
>>
>>>by empirical evidence; often what they learned was how wrong their science
>>>was.
>>>
>>>And even the best scientists had to depend upon a guy with the balls to do
>>>the dive,
>>
>>>I think that they depended on a large number of guys doing a large
>>>number of dives so that they could do... statistics, too.
>>
>>Sure, but the statistics came after, and it wasnt all based upon goats.
>
>
> *I* never mentionned goats.
>
> Now Barry and you seem to have a fixation with these beasts...

Well, sheep are alright but they're not as good as the real thing

--
"If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from
him. An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." -
Benjamin Franklin

"BarryNL" wrote

> Ah, then I'm sure you're used to listening to end users telling you how to
> build software based on their 'experience' of using computers.

I'm sure you're correct. It's a wise person that listens to the desires and
needs of his customers.

> I assume you would at least admit that the design patterns and development
> paradigms you learnt in computer science, based on hundreds of man-years
> of collective study and experience, were better than anything you would
> have been able to figure out using only your own experience.

Ahhh, you're problem is not with experience, but with personal experience.
Whose experience would you suggest I listen to?

Lee