Re: September 11, 2006- American media bias

"Dennis (Icarus)" wrote:

>
> Gosh, and yet you fault US for staying out of WW II's European theatre until
> Hitler declared war on the US.
>
>

Sorry.... I forgot to say I also fault your for coming into major wars late but
then whining like babies when your friends won't follow you into a war that was
based on lies about WMDs.

"Dave Smith" <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4509AD13.5BBBFDED@sympatico.ca...
> "Dennis (Icarus)" wrote:
>
>>
>> > If I had my way we wouldn't have any. It is not our war. The people of
>> Afghanistan did nothing
>> > to us. They offended Bush by refusing to hand over bin Laden and al
>> Queda. We moved more
>> > troops in so that you could take some of yours out. AFAIAC, you guys
>> > are
>> partly responsible
>> > for the mess over there and we should not be expected to clean it up
>> > for
>> you.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Gosh, and yet you fault US for staying out of WW II's European theatre
>> until
>> Hitler declared war on the US.
>>
>>
>
> Not so. I fault you for coming in late and then convincing yourselves that
> you
> did it single handed and overlook the contributions of others.


No one here made that assertion. No educated person is unaware we didn't
do it alone. EVERYONE -is- keenly aware of their own countries
contributions. Most of us are also aware of our various shortcomings, only
you seem to harp on it, but only US shortcomings. You fault us for trying
to stay out of it and then fault us for being very little help, and inept,
when we did come in.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> If I had my way we wouldn't have any. It is not our war. The people of Afghanistan did nothing
> to us. They offended Bush by refusing to hand over bin Laden and al Queda. We moved more
> troops in so that you could take some of yours out. AFAIAC, you guys are partly responsible
> for the mess over there and we should not be expected to clean it up for you.

Gee what a hypocritical attitude. In 1939 the US was saying the same
thing, It wasn't our war, its a European thing, Hitler wasn't
attacking us. And the Europeans and canuks have harped on that fact
for the last 70 some odd years that we were late to the party. We
should have left the Europeans to themselves then, and went after the
country that attacked us, after all according to more than a few
posters here in the past England didn't need us they had Germany
licked.. Instead we let the Asian problem fester and the Japs build
up the Pacific region while we went to Europe first. The thing I
remember most from history, is the way Hitler found the exact same
train car the Germans were forced to sign the WWI surrender and made
the French do the same thing when they cleaned their clock, the same
rail car in the same location, history in reverse. It was Europe's
insistence on massive reparations after WWI that plunged Germany into
financial ruin that allowed that bastard Hitler into power. And there
were what, eight or better, European countries that together could
have stopped one single country from building up, but chose to appease
and hope that Hitler would leave them alone if they gave into his
demands. It was like a salamander giving up his tail in hopes the
attacker would be satisfied with it.

<bedlow1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158280450.170655.54640@p79g2000cwp.googlegro ups.com...

> Gee what a hypocritical attitude.

Nothing new.

> In 1939 the US was saying the same
> thing, It wasn't our war, its a European thing, Hitler wasn't
> attacking us. And the Europeans and canuks have harped on that fact
> for the last 70 some odd years that we were late to the party. We
> should have left the Europeans to themselves then, and went after the
> country that attacked us, after all according to more than a few
> posters here in the past England didn't need us they had Germany
> licked.. Instead we let the Asian problem fester and the Japs build
> up the Pacific region while we went to Europe first. The thing I
> remember most from history, is the way Hitler found the exact same
> train car the Germans were forced to sign the WWI surrender and made
> the French do the same thing when they cleaned their clock, the same
> rail car in the same location, history in reverse. It was Europe's
> insistence on massive reparations after WWI that plunged Germany into
> financial ruin that allowed that bastard Hitler into power. And there
> were what, eight or better, European countries that together could
> have stopped one single country from building up, but chose to appease
> and hope that Hitler would leave them alone if they gave into his
> demands. It was like a salamander giving up his tail in hopes the
> attacker would be satisfied with it.

All us that dont want to be subject to Muslim rule better get our heads and
asses wired together.

The enemy isnt America, Cananda or Dubya. A blind man could see that through
his boots (which is why the moonbats havent yet figured it out).

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060913...sattackseurope

Dave Smith wrote:

> Popeye wrote:
>
>
>>>Our troops are leading an
>>>major offensive against the Taliban. If you check international media
>>>sources
>>>you will see that it is a Canadian led attack. The exception is the
>>>American
>>>media, which says that it is a NATO operation.
>>
>> Well it -is- a NATO operation, and a careful comparison of news stories
>>shows you to be full of shit, as usual.
>>
>> It would be a -Canadian- operation if you sent your own airforce that you
>>don't have, and conducted it without the support of several other countries.
>>
>> But since you clearly state it's a Canadian operation, get off your ass
>>and send more troops, since you only have 2200 there.
>
>
> If I had my way we wouldn't have any. It is not our war. The people of Afghanistan did nothing
> to us. They offended Bush by refusing to hand over bin Laden and al Queda. We moved more
> troops in so that you could take some of yours out. AFAIAC, you guys are partly responsible
> for the mess over there and we should not be expected to clean it up for you.
>
>
I think, Dave it was about the Al Qaeda training camps and the Taliban
government and their alligiance to AL Qaeda - but thats just me

Judging by your address I can understand your POV

"Dave Smith" <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4509B3C0.421F9713@sympatico.ca...
> "Dennis (Icarus)" wrote:
>
> >
> > Gosh, and yet you fault US for staying out of WW II's European theatre
until
> > Hitler declared war on the US.
> >
> >
>
> Sorry.... I forgot to say I also fault your for coming into major wars
late but
> then whining like babies when your friends won't follow you into a war
that was
> based on lies about WMDs.
>
>
>

In n earlier post you'd qualified that with "and then convincing yourselves
that you did it single handed and overlook the contributions of others." I
note no qualification now, so, you are faulting the US for staying out of WW
II until Hitler declares war on the US, yet you would keep Canada's troops
out of Afghanistan based on "It is not our war. The people of Afghanistan
did nothing to us.". Very similar to the isolationist policies of the US in
WW II, with which, again, you have difficulty.

Did you take a class to learn that level of hypocrisy, or does it come
naturally?

Dennis

Dave Smith wrote:

> "Dennis (Icarus)" wrote:
>
>
>>Gosh, and yet you fault US for staying out of WW II's European theatre until
>>Hitler declared war on the US.
>>
>>
>
>
> Sorry.... I forgot to say I also fault your for coming into major wars late but
> then whining like babies when your friends won't follow you into a war that was
> based on lies about WMDs.
>
>
>
again - quite typical = we are wrong when we come in late and we are
wrong when we answer a wake up call (9/11)

pick up position, Dave, and stick with it or is the USA ALWAYS WRONG?

"Dave Smith" <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4509B3C0.421F9713@sympatico.ca...
> "Dennis (Icarus)" wrote:
>
> >
> > Gosh, and yet you fault US for staying out of WW II's European theatre until
> > Hitler declared war on the US.
> >
> >
>
> Sorry.... I forgot to say I also fault your for coming into major wars late but
> then whining like babies when your friends won't follow you into a war that was
> based on lies about WMDs.

Funny... I didn't hear us whining. More like saying "Fuck you then, we'll do it ourselves."

Chris Guynn wrote:

>
> > Sorry.... I forgot to say I also fault your for coming into major wars late but
> > then whining like babies when your friends won't follow you into a war that was
> > based on lies about WMDs.
>
> Funny... I didn't hear us whining. More like saying "Fuck you then, we'll do it ourselves."

I guess you didn't hear Bush talking about his list of friends and the list of people who didn't
help.

In message <oJxOg.2111$IA.930@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Chris Guynn
<chris.guynn@gmail.com> writes
>
>"Dave Smith" <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:4509B3C0.421F9713@sympatico.ca...
>> "Dennis (Icarus)" wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Gosh, and yet you fault US for staying out of WW II's European
>> >theatre until
>> > Hitler declared war on the US.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Sorry.... I forgot to say I also fault your for coming into major
>>wars late but
>> then whining like babies when your friends won't follow you into a
>>war that was
>> based on lies about WMDs.
>
>Funny... I didn't hear us whining. More like saying "Fuck you then,
>we'll do it ourselves."
>
>

Don't kid your self Chris, right now the USA is absolutely dependant on
it's allies. In the Helmand Province of Afghanistan the British are
holding out against totally unexpected odds that even your own generals
acknowledge to be the most ferocious and challenging theatre of combat
anywhere in the world today, but don't expect Pox News to reveal that
fact to the peasantry . The UK, Canada, Denmark and other allies make up
about 40% of foreign troops in Afghanistan where they are demonstrating
the reality of quality over quantity. Again.
--
John Lubran