For those that "Understand" the gun confiscations in New Orleans.

Understand that they were so egregious that they prompted a change in laws
to make sure that similar violations of citizens' rights don't occur in the
future.

Lee
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Fairfax, VA- President George W. Bush signed into law the prohibition of
confiscation of legal firearms from law-abiding citizens during states of
emergency. This action became necessary following practices by local
officials in New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. This new law was
part of the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations bill.
"I want to thank President George W. Bush for signing this vital measure
into law," declared Chris W. Cox. "The chaos and civil disorder our country
witnessed in New Orleans after the city abolished the Second Amendment
confirmed every law-abiding gun owner's worst fear - that pervasive gun
confiscations can happen right here in America. As promised, NRA set out to
pass legislation at both the federal and state levels to protect the Second
Amendment rights of law-abiding American citizens."

H.R. 5013, the "Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act," was introduced
in the House by Congressman Bobby Jindal (LA - 1) and passed the House on
July 25, 2006 with a broad bi-partisan margin of 322-99. Senator David
Vitter (R-La) introduced the Senate version of the bill and an Amendment to
Homeland Security Appropriations, which passed the United States Senate by
84-16, the largest margin of victory for a NRA-backed measure.

"The essence of the 'Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act' was so
compelling that it received strong, bipartisan support in Congress,"
continued Cox. "When 911 is non-existent and law enforcement personnel are
overwhelmed with search-and-rescue missions and other emergency duties,
law-abiding Americans must have legal protection to defend their families
and loved ones in times of emergency. The NRA is honored to have helped
guarantee this fundamental freedom."
________________________________
It is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of
vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion.
WILLIAM RALPH INGE, D. D. 1860-1954

"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:rc3%g.6999$Fd7.5086@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> Understand that they were so egregious that they prompted a change in laws
> to make sure that similar violations of citizens' rights don't occur in
the
> future.
>
> Lee
> ___________________________
>
> Fairfax, VA- President George W. Bush signed into law the prohibition of
> confiscation of legal firearms from law-abiding citizens during states of
> emergency. This action became necessary following practices by local
> officials in New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. This new law
was
> part of the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations bill.
> "I want to thank President George W. Bush for signing this vital measure
> into law," declared Chris W. Cox. "The chaos and civil disorder our
country
> witnessed in New Orleans after the city abolished the Second Amendment
> confirmed every law-abiding gun owner's worst fear - that pervasive gun
> confiscations can happen right here in America. As promised, NRA set out
to
> pass legislation at both the federal and state levels to protect the
Second
> Amendment rights of law-abiding American citizens."
>
> H.R. 5013, the "Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act," was introduced
> in the House by Congressman Bobby Jindal (LA - 1) and passed the House on
> July 25, 2006 with a broad bi-partisan margin of 322-99. Senator David
> Vitter (R-La) introduced the Senate version of the bill and an Amendment
to
> Homeland Security Appropriations, which passed the United States Senate by
> 84-16, the largest margin of victory for a NRA-backed measure.
>
> "The essence of the 'Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act' was so
> compelling that it received strong, bipartisan support in Congress,"
> continued Cox. "When 911 is non-existent and law enforcement personnel are
> overwhelmed with search-and-rescue missions and other emergency duties,
> law-abiding Americans must have legal protection to defend their families
> and loved ones in times of emergency. The NRA is honored to have helped
> guarantee this fundamental freedom."
> ________________________________
> It is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of
> vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion.
> WILLIAM RALPH INGE, D. D. 1860-1954

Check out who voted how;

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll401.xml

All but one vote against it came from the party line bitches of the Democrat
party.

Scott wrote

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo

Perhaps the clearest case of unconstitutional, illegal action in our
country during our lifetime.

Clearly illegal orders that clearly should not have been issued or obeyed.

"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:8Jm%g.23626$Zn1.4077@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
> Scott wrote
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo
>
> Perhaps the clearest case of unconstitutional, illegal action in our
> country during our lifetime.
>
> Clearly illegal orders that clearly should not have been issued or obeyed.

I sure as hell would not have obeyed that order.

And if they prosecuted me for it, I would have not only won the case, but
sued their asses off.

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
message news:12jsmmb8r3a6f3c@news.supernews.com...

> Mostly they were shooting at each other, from what I remember.

Win/win.

> Whoever said what about the law, the cops on the street (or in the boat as
> the case may be) were just trying not to get shot.

Understandable.

> Wind bagging that into some lofty sounding bullshit when you're not cold,
> wet, 3 days living in a rowboat (and fuckin -surrounded-) and wondering if
> your family is alive in a level of pontification you won't catch me in.

I must have missed something...

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote

> Wind bagging that into some lofty sounding bullshit when you're not cold,
> wet, 3 days living in a rowboat (and fuckin -surrounded-) and wondering if
> your family is alive in a level of pontification you won't catch me in.

Those in the videos, all of the videos. weren't cold, or wet, or living in
rowboats. They were in their homes, some in their very expensive homes.
The Guard came in, automatic weapons pointed and ready to rock and roll,
broke into their homes without warrants, cuffed them while they searched the
homes, again without warrant and confiscated all firearms.

Certainly sounds like they were helping those poor evacuees to me . . .
Not.

Lee

"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:K5v%g.36925$vi3.4435@bignews3.bellsouth.net.. .
> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote
>
>> Wind bagging that into some lofty sounding bullshit when you're not
>> cold, wet, 3 days living in a rowboat (and fuckin -surrounded-) and
>> wondering if your family is alive in a level of pontification you won't
>> catch me in.
>
> Those in the videos, all of the videos. weren't cold, or wet, or living in
> rowboats. They were in their homes, some in their very expensive homes.
> The Guard came in, automatic weapons pointed and ready to rock and roll,
> broke into their homes without warrants, cuffed them while they searched
> the homes, again without warrant and confiscated all firearms.
>
> Certainly sounds like they were helping those poor evacuees to me . . .

I'm not talking about the starving, whining, evacuees.

You can't find a post where they've been the context.

This thread was about the gun law.

I have not addressed, and would not address, mandatory evacuations.

If I wanted to stay in my home, I would (and have, 9 days, spending
considerable effort assisting invalid neighbors).

If I chose to stay armed, I would (and do, regardless of local and federal
law in 48 states).

But during an emergency, when a law is passed, the gun law to enable
emergency personnel to protect themselves, I don't pontificate windbag
arguments how LEO shouldn't enforce a law to defend their own lives because
it's "wrong" and if they were "good" Americans they should know it, and how
I should have learned that in the Marines, which, frankly, is a statement
that someone who hasn't served in the Marines has any right to make.

I support my local Sheriff.

The people in the rowboats aren't your comfy citizens, Lee, they were the
cops and Guardsmen that worked night and day rescuing people that had the
right to be too stupid to leave beforehand, and these emergency personnel
have the right not to be shot at.



> Not.
>
> Lee
>

Lee Bell wrote:

> It would take pretty large balls to do the right thing in a case like that.
> I know what is right. I'm not sure I'd have the nerve to act on my
> knowledge.

Perhaps it's got less to do with nerve and "balls" and more to do with
your intellectual capacity. Only a total maroon goes up against a badge
bearing gun-totin' uniform wearin' sumbitch who appears to be acting
for the establishment.

This would be a perfect time for the morons expose themselves. Any
takers?

JF

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:

> > Yup, and the one (perhaps the same one) describing New Orleans cops as
> > less than exemplary of the national standard. Seems clear to me that
> > mixing poor quality cops with a very tense screwed up situation like
> > that was bound to result in mistakes being made, but surely you're not
> > painting all of your nation's law enforcement officers with that brush.
> > I think you know better than that.
>
> What, are you waffling back the other way now?
>
> How...er,..normal.

Earth to Popeye .... Come in Popeye. Your signal's fading badly.

JF

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> "Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:hCp%g.36493$vi3.3477@bignews3.bellsouth.net.. .
>
>>Scott wrote
>>
>>
>>>>Scott wrote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps the clearest case of unconstitutional, illegal action in our
>>>>country during our lifetime.
>>>>
>>>>Clearly illegal orders that clearly should not have been issued or
>>>>obeyed.
>>>
>>>I sure as hell would not have obeyed that order.
>>>
>>>And if they prosecuted me for it, I would have not only won the case, but
>>>sued their asses off.
>>
>>It would take pretty large balls to do the right thing in a case like
>>that. I know what is right. I'm not sure I'd have the nerve to act on my
>>knowledge.
>
>
>
> It depends on whether or not you leave what's right and wrong up to your
> balls.
>
> The gun confiscation was put in place to protect the lives of police
> officers assisting evacuees.
>
> Hence, why one with an -open mind- could -understand-, not condone, why
> the law was made.
>
> I'm glad you feel that was clearly wrong, and it's better to needlessly
> sacrifice as many police officers as possible for mindless rhetoric.
>
> In the next evacuation, the officers will just hose down potential
> evacuees with lead to defend their lives.
>
> Instead of being intelligent, you've shown how we can be as petty and
> mindless with rhetoric as those that made the illegal law in the first
> place.
>
> You've done nothing to provide a solution.
>
> You've only endangered cops doing a difficult job, no matter how you twist
> it and beat your chest.
>
> In this instance, you're about the exact opposite of John Francis.
>
>
It's the slippery slope that you are on.

Once people can be legally disarmed "for the good of the populace"
however temporally, the "good" can be defined in ever broader scenarios
until *you* can be disarmed to keep everyone safe, or even for your own
good. So much for the second amendment. I am surprised you can't see that.

BTW, remember the concept of "innocent until proven guilty".

You are wrong here. Very wrong.

--
“TAANSTAFL”
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"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3
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