This is a problem with America

Greg Mossman wrote:

>
> On Jan 26, 1:35 pm, dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast_remove.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Greg Mossman wrote: 26% of the population
>>
>>
>>>lives below the poverty line.
>>
>>>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html
>
>
>>So is it the location or the population that causes this? I am not sure
>>from reading your post...
>
>
> Who knows?
>
> "Despite the big gains in auto work during World War II, blacks were
> still more likely to hold unskilled jobs than whites. They were
> concentrated in the least desirable auto industry jobs (for example,
> the foundries and paint rooms became overwhelmingly black departments
> in many auto plants). And blacks--because they were at the end of the
> seniority line--were especially vulnerable to layoffs and unemployment
> when auto plants reorganized work or shut down."
>
> "The great irony of postwar auto industry history was that just as
> blacks found themselves on the first rung of the ladder of economic
> mobility in the auto industry, that rung was cut away by
> decentralization and automation."
>
> "By 1970, about one in five Detroit auto workers was black, a sizeable
> increase from 1960, when they held only about sixteen percent of auto
> industry jobs. Despite these gains, the racial hierarchy of auto
> assembly plants remained deeply entrenched. Relatively few blacks
> worked in the well-paying skilled trades; even fewer worked as foremen
> and superintendents; and hardly any had white-collar positions."
>
> http://www.autolife.umd.umich.edu/Ra...Casestudy5.htm
>
2 things:

Did those referenced "blacks" expect the automakers to educate them? Or
did they educate themselves and then were denied jobs based on color?

And do you have any data from more recently an approximately 30+years ago?

Like from say 2004 or so?

Something that is not historical, but more present day?

You seem to hold guilt for what happened in the past. I don't. THose
things happened before the generation to which I belong was able to
control any part of the decisions that were made.

Currently, I see little effort to racially bias the population in the
workplace. Most employers simply want someone who will be productive and
who will show up on time, not under the influence of drugs or alcohol,
and who is qualified to perform the tasks that are part of the job. Few
care about color.





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"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:15:56 -0800, in
> <1169831756.400485.59570@s48g2000cws.googlegroups. com>, Greg Mossman
> wrote:
> > Michigan is 81% white. The affirmative action measure passed with a
> > 64% majority.
>
> So, the 19% of the population that are black live entirely in Detroit?

No. They live entirely in the ghettos in Detroit.

"Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Sgvuh.520$MN.256@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net.. .

> I completely support preferential admissions.

> Kids with better grades/test scores and more rounded educations should get
preferential treatment.
> Those who have shown that they can do well in educational environments
should be allowed to move on
> to the next level of education. Why should those who haven't?

As you correctly recognized, this mindset is all part of the self serving
mental disease commonly known as "liberal".

It's OK to discriminate based on skin color, as long as you discriminate
against whites, and it is OK to discrimiate against natural born Americans
and legal immigrants.

It is also OK to exploit illegal immigrant labor, because you are giving
them a better job and wages than they would have had at home, plus it keeps
the vegetables cheap and the liberal bathrooms clean.

It all makes for good polish on the veneer these idiots cover the holes in
their soul with.

Greg Mossman wrote

>> Do you suppose that the universities don't understand that Michigan's
>> voters
>> specifically don't want anyone to target any group or groups for special
>> attention?

> Do you suppose that the universities might want a population more
> diverse than all-white-rich-kids?

Maybe. I'm more sure, however, that the people of Selma didn't wan't black
people eating in their restaurants, going to their schools, or sitting in
the front of their busses. They didn't get to discriminate either.

> Unfortunately it's the all-white-rich-kids that are the only ones who can
> afford elite private college prep schools and tutoring, while
> the black kids are attempted to gain an education in ill-funded public
> schools while surviving daily life in the dangerous ghettos of
> Detroit.

What century are you living in. I think you might want to take a look
around at who's makeing how much. Start with your professional sports
teams, then move on to the movie and television industries.

> Sure. It probably sets off most white racists.

You mean like those that can't see that it's just as discriminatory to give
the advantage to the black, Hispanic or Jewish kids as it used to be to give
it to the white ones?

Lee

Chris Guynn wrote

> I didn't have to survive life in the dangerous ghettos of Detroit, but
> neither could my parents
> afford elite private college prep schools. Somehow, I still managed to go
> to college.

I did grow up in the urban area of Miami. I don't think there's ever been a
TV show called Detroit Vice. My family wasn't rich either. I paid my own
way thorugh college, making money the old fashion way. I worked for it. As
a matter of fact, a good portion of the time I was in college I worked for
minorities, some black, more Hispanic, you know, the ones Greg thought had
no chance and called me a racist for not wanting to take a back seat to.

> My wife didn't have to survive life in the dangerous ghettos of Detroit
> either. Her parent's could
> afford elite private college prep schools even less than my parents could.
> Not only did she manage
> to go to college, but she paid for it all herself. Apparently, you don't
> think that black are
> capable of that (working for the things they want).

> Who's the racist?

The ADL.

Greg Mossman wrote

>> So is it the location or the population that causes this? I am not sure
>> from reading your post...

> Who knows?

Perhaps you should before you begin advocating disadvantage for the non
minority population to fix a problem you don't understand in the first
place.

Lee

Hwæt! "Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net>, soðe:

> Nobody, no matter what
> their race, is more of a native American than I am .

Lee's playing Humpty Dumpty.

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"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 26, 4:08 am, "Lee Bell" <pleebe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > Do you suppose that the universities don't understand that Michigan's
voters
> > specifically don't want anyone to target any group or groups for special
> > attention?
>
> Do you suppose that the universities might want a population more
> diverse than all-white-rich-kids? Unfortunately it's the
> all-white-rich-kids that are the only ones who can afford elite private
> college prep schools and tutoring, while the black kids are attempted
> to gain an education in ill-funded public schools while surviving daily
> life in the dangerous ghettos of Detroit.

Well, good to see you acknowledge theres a problem with public schools.
There's always a school voucher program, to try to give puyblic schools
competition, but most liberals are against vouchers.

So all blacks, hispanics, oh heck, non-whites, are poor in your view?
After all "all-white-rich-kids" who can afford "prep schools and tutoring".

Here's an idea - use economic status

>
> Michigan is 81% white. The affirmative action measure passed with a
> 64% majority.

And how many of that 81% white voted?

>
> > Do you suppose seeing stuff like this set me off?
>
> Sure. It probably sets off most white racists.
>

Dennis

On Jan 26, 2:25 pm, dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast_remove.net>
wrote:

> Few care about color.

No. Few are of color.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 26, 3:10 pm, "Lee Bell" <pleebe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > What century are you living in. I think you might want to take a look
> > around at who's makeing how much. Start with your professional sports
> > teams, then move on to the movie and television industries.
>
> Professional sports teams? How many professional athletes are there in
> total? How many black boys really do end up playing in the NBA? How
> many black girls really do become as rich as Oprah?
>
> I'm talking about real people. Everyday people. You might work for
> lots of minorities, but that's because you work for the government.
> The government has always led the way in anti-discrimination policies
> and it's in the public eye. It's much harder to apply discrimination
> laws in the private sector.
>
> > You mean like those that can't see that it's just as discriminatory to
give
> > the advantage to the black, Hispanic or Jewish kids as it used to be to
give
> > it to the white ones?
>
> But the white ones still have the advantage. Because of years of
> oppressing minorities, the white people have all the money and all the
> power and they still wield it unfairly. That's what you refuse to see.
>

So you'll be giviing up your "money & power" to some poor deserving
monirities?

Dennis