This is a problem with America

" With Michigan's new ban on affirmative action going into effect, and
similar ballot initiatives looming in other states, many public universities
are scrambling to find race-blind ways to attract more blacks and
Hispanics."

Do you suppose that the universities don't understand that Michigan's voters
specifically don't want anyone to target any group or groups for special
attention?

Do you suppose that they don't understand that "race-blind" and "to attract
more blacks and Hispanics" are not compatible concepts?

Do you suppose people that have this much trouble understanding simple
English, are the ones that should be educating our country's students?

Do you suppose seeing stuff like this set me off?

Lee

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"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Kamuh.33886$Ts.6574@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> " With Michigan's new ban on affirmative action going into effect, and
> similar ballot initiatives looming in other states, many public
universities
> are scrambling to find race-blind ways to attract more blacks and
> Hispanics."
>
> Do you suppose that the universities don't understand that Michigan's
voters
> specifically don't want anyone to target any group or groups for special
> attention?
>
> Do you suppose that they don't understand that "race-blind" and "to
attract
> more blacks and Hispanics" are not compatible concepts?

Oddly, I don't think they are incompatible.
They can seek ways to make the university seem more "student friendly" to
blacks and hispanics, but have rasce-blind admissions policies.

>
> Do you suppose people that have this much trouble understanding simple
> English, are the ones that should be educating our country's students?

Hpefully they'll avoid the example set by the Congressional Black Caucus. A
white congressman from a predominantly black district considered joining, to
represent district, and was told whites need not apply.

Of course, they gave J. C. Watts trouble as well, since, even though he weas
black, he's a conservative.

>
> Do you suppose seeing stuff like this set me off?
>
Understandably so.

Dennis

On Jan 26, 4:08 am, "Lee Bell" <pleebe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Do you suppose that the universities don't understand that Michigan's voters
> specifically don't want anyone to target any group or groups for special
> attention?

Do you suppose that the universities might want a population more
diverse than all-white-rich-kids? Unfortunately it's the
all-white-rich-kids that are the only ones who can afford elite private
college prep schools and tutoring, while the black kids are attempted
to gain an education in ill-funded public schools while surviving daily
life in the dangerous ghettos of Detroit.

Michigan is 81% white. The affirmative action measure passed with a
64% majority.

> Do you suppose seeing stuff like this set me off?

Sure. It probably sets off most white racists.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
news:1169831756.400485.59570@s48g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> On Jan 26, 4:08 am, "Lee Bell" <pleebe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > Do you suppose that the universities don't understand that Michigan's voters
> > specifically don't want anyone to target any group or groups for special
> > attention?
>
> Do you suppose that the universities might want a population more
> diverse than all-white-rich-kids? Unfortunately it's the
> all-white-rich-kids that are the only ones who can afford elite private
> college prep schools and tutoring, while the black kids are attempted
> to gain an education in ill-funded public schools while surviving daily
> life in the dangerous ghettos of Detroit.

I didn't have to survive life in the dangerous ghettos of Detroit, but neither could my parents
afford elite private college prep schools. Somehow, I still managed to go to college.

My wife didn't have to survive life in the dangerous ghettos of Detroit either. Her parent's could
afford elite private college prep schools even less than my parents could. Not only did she manage
to go to college, but she paid for it all herself. Apparently, you don't think that black are
capable of that (working for the things they want).

Who's the racist?

On Jan 26, 9:48 am, "Chris Guynn" <chris.gu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I didn't have to survive life in the dangerous ghettos of Detroit
> My wife didn't have to survive life in the dangerous ghettos of Detroit either

That's all you had to say. And, let me guess, you're both white?

Do gangbangers stand around selling crack on the street where you live?
Is your father in jail? Is your mother a crack addict? It's funny
how many more black people from Michigan (or black people in Texas for
that matter) than white people from Texas will answer yes to these last
three questions. Obviously it's just a coincidence. It has nothing at
all to do with the fact that black people were kept as slaves as
recently as 1865 and were treated as secondary citizens through the 60s
and 70s (and in some parts, through today), if they were treated as
citizens at all.

In 2004 in the U.S., both black and Hispanic female-headed households
had poverty rates near 40% (http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/). That's
poverty, not merely the inability to afford prep schools. It's
malnutrition, unsafe living conditions, terrible neighborhood. Slums,
gangs, graffiti, crack. Is this solely because of the color of their
skin, or will you admit there are historical factors which put them
there? If the former, you're obviously the racist here; if the latter,
why not help make it right with preferential admissions?

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:15:56 -0800, in
<1169831756.400485.59570@s48g2000cws.googlegroups. com>, Greg Mossman
wrote:
> Michigan is 81% white. The affirmative action measure passed with a
> 64% majority.

So, the 19% of the population that are black live entirely in Detroit?

On Jan 26, 12:31 pm, Grumman-581
<grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:15:56 -0800, in
> <1169831756.400485.59...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups. com>, Greg Mossman
> wrote:
>
> > Michigan is 81% white. The affirmative action measure passed with a
> > 64% majority.

> So, the 19% of the population that are black live entirely in Detroit?

The 14.3% that are black, you mean. The world isn't just black and
white, even in Michigan. Detroit, which only constitutes 9% of
Michigan's population, is 81.6% black, 12.3% white. Only 11% of those
25 and older have bachelor's degrees or higher. 26% of the population
lives below the poverty line.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html

Greg Mossman wrote:
26% of the population
> lives below the poverty line.
>
> http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html
>

So is it the location or the population that causes this? I am not sure
from reading your post...
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On Jan 26, 1:35 pm, dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast_remove.net>
wrote:
> Greg Mossman wrote: 26% of the population
>
> > lives below the poverty line.
>
> >http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html

> So is it the location or the population that causes this? I am not sure
> from reading your post...

Who knows?

"Despite the big gains in auto work during World War II, blacks were
still more likely to hold unskilled jobs than whites. They were
concentrated in the least desirable auto industry jobs (for example,
the foundries and paint rooms became overwhelmingly black departments
in many auto plants). And blacks--because they were at the end of the
seniority line--were especially vulnerable to layoffs and unemployment
when auto plants reorganized work or shut down."

"The great irony of postwar auto industry history was that just as
blacks found themselves on the first rung of the ladder of economic
mobility in the auto industry, that rung was cut away by
decentralization and automation."

"By 1970, about one in five Detroit auto workers was black, a sizeable
increase from 1960, when they held only about sixteen percent of auto
industry jobs. Despite these gains, the racial hierarchy of auto
assembly plants remained deeply entrenched. Relatively few blacks
worked in the well-paying skilled trades; even fewer worked as foremen
and superintendents; and hardly any had white-collar positions."

http://www.autolife.umd.umich.edu/Ra...Casestudy5.htm

Greg Mossman wrote:


>
> Michigan is 81% white. The affirmative action measure passed with a
> 64% majority.

But only 12% were intelligent enough to rejeect the measure on its
merits. The other 24% were totally confused.

esg