Question: Split-fin in strong current

Hi everybody,

I am going to buy a pair of "apollo bio pro" split fins
but this morning one of my friend told me that split fins could not be used
in current because they would not generate enough propellant, is that true?
He suggested me to go for paddle fins , I would like to hear some more
advice, thanks.

Casey

Best advice I can come up with is "Try a pair and see how they work for
you." I don't like vented fins, Jet Fins for example. I also don't like
any of the newest line of high tech fins. I do like my Mares TRE and Quatro
Power fins. You might not like either. There's only one way to decide what
is best for you.

--
Lee Bell, CID


"boatlover" <boatlover1971@yahoo.com.hk> wrote in message
news:bn3r8k$31a2$1@news.hgc.com.hk...
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am going to buy a pair of "apollo bio pro" split
fins
> but this morning one of my friend told me that split fins could not be
used
> in current because they would not generate enough propellant, is that
true?
> He suggested me to go for paddle fins , I would like to hear some more
> advice, thanks.
>
> Casey
>
>

boatlover wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am going to buy a pair of "apollo bio pro" split fins
> but this morning one of my friend told me that split fins could not be used
> in current because they would not generate enough propellant, is that true?
> He suggested me to go for paddle fins , I would like to hear some more
> advice, thanks.
>
> Casey
>
>

horse pucky!

i can't speak for most of the split fin designs out there but the Bio
Fin works as well or better than ANYTHING else at forward propulsion.
it does require a different kick to work though - a long strong kick
doesn't do much, a fast "flutter" will get you moveing. it's a little
like a good bike pedal cadence, a fast cadence is better in the long run
than a slow powerful stomp.

"Airhog" <mick@youwishyouknew.net> wrote in message
news:vpaspohnqr4o95@news.supernews.com...

> Plain and simple--split fins are gimmicks--the Apollos more than most.
You
> can forget swimming agaisnt a current or properly using any other finning
> technique them at all. People will hate you for strring up silt as well.
> Do not buy into the speed bullshit either--the object is to enjoy diving.
> The air consumption improvement claims are bullshit as well.
>
> AirHog
> --
> "Behold the pale horse and the man who sat on him was death and hell
> followed with him."
>

Hmmm. Strong opinion.

I have a pair of Oceanic V12's. They're the best fins I've ever used.

They are NOT good in a current, or for trying to fin up onto a RIB.
However, they are the most comfortable, easy to don, coolest looking, and
toughest fins I've owned.
I can quite happily frog kick in them, they cause little downdraft, and so
minimal silt disturbance, and they induce zero leg fatigue.
Having suffered from knee injuries years ago, I find that rigid fins cause
joint pain when flutter or frog kicking due to the resistance going back
through the joint.
With the soft flexible material, they offer less resistance but still
provide me with the same propulsion.
In fact, after trying to explain the theory to students, I often offer them
the chance to try to out-fin me underwater. Only a couple of Royal Marines
have achieved it so far....

However, as previously stated, they provide little 'thrust' and so are no
good for battling strong currents, or propelling yourself up onto a boat.

HTH

"Plain and simple--split fins are gimmicks"

Hogwash. Coming off knee surgery, my Mares fins were too much work for my
healing parts to push and a friend let me borrow his TwinJets. Effortless
and easy, with gobs of propulsion if I need it.

The notion that fins work different in current is kind of ridiculous...your
speed through the water doesn't change...your speed over the ground does. A
fin that moves you well in calm water does the same in current.

Try this: do a dive with a buddy who has split fins. Swap fins during the
dive, then swap back. Make up your own mind.

--


Briggs Christie
Oahu Dive Center
Kailua, Hawaii
1-866-933-DIVE
www.oahudivecenter.com
"Airhog" <mick@youwishyouknew.net> wrote in message
news:vpaspohnqr4o95@news.supernews.com...
> >I am going to buy a pair of "apollo bio pro" split fins
> > but this morning one of my friend told me that split fins could not be
> used
> > in current because they would not generate enough propellant, is that
> true?
> > He suggested me to go for paddle fins , I would like to hear some more
> > advice, thanks.
>
> Plain and simple--split fins are gimmicks--the Apollos more than most.
You
> can forget swimming agaisnt a current or properly using any other finning
> technique them at all. People will hate you for strring up silt as well.
> Do not buy into the speed bullshit either--the object is to enjoy diving.
> The air consumption improvement claims are bullshit as well.
>
> AirHog
> --
> "Behold the pale horse and the man who sat on him was death and hell
> followed with him."
>
>

> Hmmm. Strong opinion.

It is a simple concept called the truth.

> I have a pair of Oceanic V12's. They're the best fins I've ever used.

You should try more fins.


> They are NOT good in a current,

I said that.

>or for trying to fin up onto a RIB.
> However, they are the most comfortable, easy to don, coolest looking, and
> toughest fins I've owned.

There ya go--trying to score a piece of ass underwater with the looks of
your fins.

> I can quite happily frog kick in them, they cause little downdraft, and so
> minimal silt disturbance, and they induce zero leg fatigue.

Not properly you cannot. Split fins are an entanglement haZzard as well.
You also cannot perform types of kicks that may be needed for other
situations you may find yourself in.

> Having suffered from knee injuries years ago, I find that rigid fins cause
> joint pain when flutter or frog kicking due to the resistance going back
> through the joint.

Funny Mrs. Hog has had two rebuilds of her knees and kicks her Jets like
there are no tomorrow.

> With the soft flexible material, they offer less resistance but still
> provide me with the same propulsion.

Bullshit. Next.

> In fact, after trying to explain the theory to students, I often offer
them
> the chance to try to out-fin me underwater. Only a couple of Royal Marines
> have achieved it so far....

Since when is diving a competition? You work harder at going faster you
suck more gas--fact.

> However, as previously stated, they provide little 'thrust' and so are no
> good for battling strong currents, or propelling yourself up onto a boat.


We at
--
"Behold the pale horse and the man who sat on him was death and hell
followed with him."least agree on this.

AirHog

>>
>>
>> > Try this: do a dive with a buddy who has split fins. Swap fins during
>the
>> > dive, then swap back. Make up your own mind.
>>
>> Try this--use rule number one and never dive with a buddy with split fins.
>>
>> AirHog
>> --
>> "Behold the pale horse and the man who sat on him was death and hell
>> followed with him."
>>
>>
>>
>
>Go back to rec.scuba.
>
>Please folks, don't feed the troll....
>
>

He is in rec.scuba. If you want to get mad at anyone, get mad at the orignal
idiot who cross-posted this in the first place. Don't cross-post to rec.scuba
if you don't want rec.scuba "style" answers.

I have not read all of the other replies - but I can tell you - the best
piece of equipment I have ever bought was my Scuba Pro split fins (jets).
They are amazing. Works great in current and stuill water. I can't rave
enough about them.


"boatlover" <boatlover1971@yahoo.com.hk> wrote in message
news:bn3r8k$31a2$1@news.hgc.com.hk...
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am going to buy a pair of "apollo bio pro" split
fins
> but this morning one of my friend told me that split fins could not be
used
> in current because they would not generate enough propellant, is that
true?
> He suggested me to go for paddle fins , I would like to hear some more
> advice, thanks.
>
> Casey
>
>

"Tricky" <scubatricky@nospamyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bn3uek$hrp$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Airhog" <mick@youwishyouknew.net> wrote in message
> news:vpauo5sodj9a39@news.supernews.com...
> > > Hmmm. Strong opinion.
> >
> > It is a simple concept called the truth.
>
> You're American, you'd have trouble with that concept...

Normally, I am very patient with people on the newsgroups. After reading
this remark, all I can say is blow me.

>
> > You should try more fins.
>
> Uhhh...how many would you like me to try?
>
> > Not properly you cannot. Split fins are an entanglement haZzard as
well.
> > You also cannot perform types of kicks that may be needed for other
> > situations you may find yourself in.
> >
>
> Please explain how my splits are an entanglement hazard?
> And what other situations will I find myself in? You obviously know my
> diving habits?
>
> >
> > Funny Mrs. Hog has had two rebuilds of her knees
>
> what was wrong with her knees? Did she wear them out whilst blowing her
> uncle?!

Uh, Oh, you've done it now... Mr. Tricky, meet your master, Sir Hog of Air.

>
> > > With the soft flexible material, they offer less resistance but still
> > > provide me with the same propulsion.
> >
>
> Go back to 'College' and re-take your Physics exams.
>
> >
> > Since when is diving a competition? You work harder at going faster you
> > suck more gas--fact.
>
> Ummmm. the fact that it doesn't matter how much work I do underwater
whilst
> training, the students will always be first out of gas.

Irrelevant. The harder you work, the faster you will run out of gas. If
you can dive with less work, you can dive longer (based solely on gas
consumption). That was the point.

> You obviously don't know the British Marines, they'll be the ones that
don't
> shoot each other.

He obviously doesn't care.

>
> 'Have a nice day'
>
>

"Oahu Dive Center" <res1iryt@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vHelb.13791$Y1.3270@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> "Plain and simple--split fins are gimmicks"
>
> Hogwash. Coming off knee surgery, my Mares fins were too much work for my
> healing parts to push and a friend let me borrow his TwinJets. Effortless
> and easy, with gobs of propulsion if I need it.

I bet you a beer you sell them. I'll bet another beer you get a healthy
markup.

> The notion that fins work different in current is kind of
ridiculous...your
> speed through the water doesn't change...your speed over the ground does.
A
> fin that moves you well in calm water does the same in current.

Read what you said and reconsider how to say it. What you have said makes
you look just a tad ignorant.

Lee