Re: On Assholes

"Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message news:<105i6v7krg7ld3@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8fb7380b.0403171838.5866b8a9@posting.google.c om...
> <snip>
> >
> >
> > Michael, "I already have more lives than any 9 of you put together"
> > (Apologies to FDR for paraphrasing his famous quote by Roosevelt
> > at the age of 51 when asked why he risked his life exploring the
> > Amazon. BTW, he died of malaria from that trip a year or so later.

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for the corrections! I mean it sincerely. It's not like
the nitpickin' grammar and spelling kind I get in rec.scuba.*


Let me preface the rest by saying what's important to ME is the IDEA
behind what this man said and what this man was, in the CONTEXT of
what I posted. I would have looked up the exact dates of events,
and other NON-ESSENTIAL details, as I did now, if they were important
in my discussion paragraph in the first place.

Not an excuse. Just a FACT about how *I* operate and how *I* view
IDEAS over nonessential details. That having said ...


I stand corrected on the FDR ERROR. The keyboard devil made me do it.
I could have been testing if there are readers who know more than me
in my weakest subject )-- American history, or any kind of history,
for that matter, because the only thing anyone learned from history
is that no one learned anything from history -- Churchill or some
other historian was credited with that saying. Again, it's the
IDEA that no one learned anything from that's important to me.
You can look up the web for the exact quote or the historian who
actually said that.



> And Teddy Roosevelt died of a coronary embolism, about 5 years after
> exloring in Brazil.
> http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/timeline.htm

I am also error prone on historical dates because they are even
less useful than historical facts themselves.

Thus, I stand corrected on the exact chronology and dates. The Amazon
Expedition was in 1913-14. My "year or two" was like the Mexican
10 minutes (which means at least 30 minutes). He died in 1919,
so it was indeed FIVE years (not a year or two) after the Amazon
Expedition.



As for the cause of his death, it was a matter of proximate cause
versus remote cause. In the account below, Teddy's death was caused
by his "recurring malaria" after the Expedition, till his death.
The autopsy "cause" could have been caused by the "recurring
malaria". Both are obviously causally linked to Teddy's death.
The coronary cause was more likely linked to his professional stress
as a politician and president, and adventurous explorer, for that
matter. The "recurring malaria" cause makes more sense and
relates more to Teddy's adventures, at least to Teddy HIMSELF,
as he was quoted on the heavy toll of his Brazilian trip:


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/ice/sfe...roosevelt.html

> The trip exacted a heavy toll on the once indefatigable Theodore Roosevelt.
> Writing to a friend, TR confessed, "The Brazilian wilderness stole away 10
> years of my life." He never fully recovered his prior vigor and was
> troubled by recurring malaria until his death in 1919.


Note to the spelling-grammar-syntax nitpicking specialists in this ng,
I am sure it's a gold mine here for that. No need to tell me
about it.

-- Bob.

"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
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> > "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8fb7380b.0403171838.5866b8a9@posting.google.c om...
> > <snip>
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael, "I already have more lives than any 9 of you put together"
> > > (Apologies to FDR for paraphrasing his famous quote by Roosevelt
> > > at the age of 51 when asked why he risked his life exploring the
> > > Amazon. BTW, he died of malaria from that trip a year or so later.
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
> Thanks for the corrections! I mean it sincerely. It's not like
> the nitpickin' grammar and spelling kind I get in rec.scuba.*
>

You're welcome.

>
> Let me preface the rest by saying what's important to ME is the IDEA
> behind what this man said and what this man was, in the CONTEXT of
> what I posted. I would have looked up the exact dates of events,
> and other NON-ESSENTIAL details, as I did now, if they were important
> in my discussion paragraph in the first place.

Though if you're going to "educate and club a few heads like yours, and
those of Lee Bell,
Hugh Huntzinger, Ron Lee, and the rest of the DimWits..." it'd be a good
thing to not make these kinds of mistakes, yes? Kind of like Fish jumping of
another person for a grammatical error, then misspelling "liar".

>
> Not an excuse. Just a FACT about how *I* operate and how *I* view
> IDEAS over nonessential details. That having said ...
>
>
> I stand corrected on the FDR ERROR. The keyboard devil made me do it.
> I could have been testing if there are readers who know more than me
> in my weakest subject )-- American history, or any kind of history,
> for that matter, because the only thing anyone learned from history
> is that no one learned anything from history -- Churchill or some
> other historian was credited with that saying. Again, it's the
> IDEA that no one learned anything from that's important to me.
> You can look up the web for the exact quote or the historian who
> actually said that.

Nice quote, but I think the historian who said it was wrong. I can think of
a few examples if you like.

>
>
>
> > And Teddy Roosevelt died of a coronary embolism, about 5 years after
> > exloring in Brazil.
> > http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/timeline.htm
>
> I am also error prone on historical dates because they are even
> less useful than historical facts themselves.

Well, since y'care so little for ;em, leave 'em out. Otherwise being wrong
on 'em will undercut your position.

>
> Thus, I stand corrected on the exact chronology and dates. The Amazon
> Expedition was in 1913-14. My "year or two" was like the Mexican
> 10 minutes (which means at least 30 minutes). He died in 1919,
> so it was indeed FIVE years (not a year or two) after the Amazon
> Expedition.
>
>
>
> As for the cause of his death, it was a matter of proximate cause
> versus remote cause. In the account below, Teddy's death was caused
> by his "recurring malaria" after the Expedition, till his death.
> The autopsy "cause" could have been caused by the "recurring
> malaria". Both are obviously causally linked to Teddy's death.
> The coronary cause was more likely linked to his professional stress
> as a politician and president, and adventurous explorer, for that
> matter. The "recurring malaria" cause makes more sense and
> relates more to Teddy's adventures, at least to Teddy HIMSELF,
> as he was quoted on the heavy toll of his Brazilian trip:
>

No doubt that it took a heavy toll. Except on cause is documented, and the
other not.
Just did some research and didn't find anything that linked malaria to blood
clots.
Guess its another one of those "nonessential" details though.

Dennis
>
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/ice/sfe...roosevelt.html
>
> > The trip exacted a heavy toll on the once indefatigable Theodore
Roosevelt.
> > Writing to a friend, TR confessed, "The Brazilian wilderness stole away
10
> > years of my life." He never fully recovered his prior vigor and was
> > troubled by recurring malaria until his death in 1919.
>
>
> Note to the spelling-grammar-syntax nitpicking specialists in this ng,
> I am sure it's a gold mine here for that. No need to tell me
> about it.
>
> -- Bob.

"Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message news:<105jbp7arm09k51@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8fb7380b.0403180514.39bae07c@posting.google.c om...
>> > > >
> > > > Michael, "I already have more lives than any 9 of you put together"
> > > > (Apologies to FDR for paraphrasing his famous quote by Roosevelt
> > > > at the age of 51 when asked why he risked his life exploring the
> > > > Amazon. BTW, he died of malaria from that trip a year or so later.
> >
> > Hi Dennis,
> >
> > Thanks for the corrections! I mean it sincerely. It's not like
> > the nitpickin' grammar and spelling kind I get in rec.scuba.*
> >
>
> You're welcome.

I'll cut through a log of smog by stating upfront that when I am
FACTUALLY corrected on ANYTHING I posted, even non-essential details,
I ALWAYS "stand corrected".

By implication, any subsequent flamewar is ALWAYS the result of
someone challenging FACTS when they are in the wrong.

A trivial and amusing example one in which Lee Bell came out picking
a fight with my on my two-line assertion of the location of a dive
relative to the Georgetown Pier in Grand Cayman.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Le... le.com&rnum=1

It turned out he was mistaken about the location of the Georgetown
Pier where I've going every year to board the Cayman Aggressor and
Lee didn't even remember the correct name of the dive shop. But
none of that stopped Lee from ARGUING.

Now onto my rely to you:
>
> >
> > Let me preface the rest by saying what's important to ME is the IDEA
> > behind what this man said and what this man was, in the CONTEXT of
> > what I posted. I would have looked up the exact dates of events,
> > and other NON-ESSENTIAL details, as I did now, if they were important
> > in my discussion paragraph in the first place.
>
> Though if you're going to "educate and club a few heads like yours, and
> those of Lee Bell,
> Hugh Huntzinger, Ron Lee, and the rest of the DimWits..." it'd be a good
> thing to not make these kinds of mistakes, yes?

See the general assertion above. The same applied to my recent
argument with Hugh and Ron about FACTS. It's all in the archives.


> > Not an excuse. Just a FACT about how *I* operate and how *I* view
> > IDEAS over nonessential details. That having said ...
> >
> >
> > I stand corrected on the FDR ERROR.


> > > And Teddy Roosevelt died of a coronary embolism, about 5 years after
> > > exloring in Brazil.
> > > http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/timeline.htm
> >
> > I am also error prone on historical dates because they are even
> > less useful than historical facts themselves.
>
> Well, since y'care so little for ;em, leave 'em out. Otherwise being wrong
> on 'em will undercut your position.

You missed my point about non=essential details. Even THOSE, when
someone
choose to correct it, as you did, was graceious acknowledged and
thanked
and "stood corrected".

Being wrong on a date by a ocuple of year (or even 10 or 20) would NOT
undercut my position, in the CONTEXT of my post.


> > Thus, I stand corrected on the exact chronology and dates.


> > As for the cause of his death, it was a matter of proximate cause
> > versus remote cause. In the account below, Teddy's death was caused
> > by his "recurring malaria" after the Expedition, till his death.
> > The autopsy "cause" could have been caused by the "recurring
> > malaria". Both are obviously causally linked to Teddy's death.
> > The coronary cause was more likely linked to his professional stress
> > as a politician and president, and adventurous explorer, for that
> > matter. The "recurring malaria" cause makes more sense and
> > relates more to Teddy's adventures, at least to Teddy HIMSELF,
> > as he was quoted on the heavy toll of his Brazilian trip:
> >
>
> No doubt that it took a heavy toll. Except on cause is documented, and the
> other not.
> Just did some research and didn't find anything that linked malaria to blood
> clots.
> Guess its another one of those "nonessential" details though.
>
> Dennis

You overlooked my long paragraph above about autopsy cause and remote
cause.

Not find ANYTHING? I guess my reply had reached the limit of your
attention span?

> >
> > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/ice/sfe...roosevelt.html
> >
> > > The trip exacted a heavy toll on the once indefatigable Theodore
> Roosevelt.
> > > Writing to a friend, TR confessed, "The Brazilian wilderness stole away
> 10
> > > years of my life." He never fully recovered his prior vigor and was
> > > troubled by recurring malaria until his death in 1919.

It was linked to recurring malaria.

-- Bob.

"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
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> > "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8fb7380b.0403180514.39bae07c@posting.google.c om...
> >> > > >
> > > > > Michael, "I already have more lives than any 9 of you put
together"
> > > > > (Apologies to FDR for paraphrasing his famous quote by Roosevelt
> > > > > at the age of 51 when asked why he risked his life exploring the
> > > > > Amazon. BTW, he died of malaria from that trip a year or so
later.
> > >
> > > Hi Dennis,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the corrections! I mean it sincerely. It's not like
> > > the nitpickin' grammar and spelling kind I get in rec.scuba.*
> > >
> >
> > You're welcome.
>
> I'll cut through a log of smog by stating upfront that when I am
> FACTUALLY corrected on ANYTHING I posted, even non-essential details,
> I ALWAYS "stand corrected".

Sounds good.

>
> By implication, any subsequent flamewar is ALWAYS the result of
> someone challenging FACTS when they are in the wrong.


>
> A trivial and amusing example one in which Lee Bell came out picking
> a fight with my on my two-line assertion of the location of a dive
> relative to the Georgetown Pier in Grand Cayman.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Le... le.com&rnum=1
>
> It turned out he was mistaken about the location of the Georgetown
> Pier where I've going every year to board the Cayman Aggressor and
> Lee didn't even remember the correct name of the dive shop. But
> none of that stopped Lee from ARGUING.
>
> Now onto my rely to you:

Ok.

> >
> > >
> > > Let me preface the rest by saying what's important to ME is the IDEA
> > > behind what this man said and what this man was, in the CONTEXT of
> > > what I posted. I would have looked up the exact dates of events,
> > > and other NON-ESSENTIAL details, as I did now, if they were important
> > > in my discussion paragraph in the first place.
> >
> > Though if you're going to "educate and club a few heads like yours, and
> > those of Lee Bell,
> > Hugh Huntzinger, Ron Lee, and the rest of the DimWits..." it'd be a good
> > thing to not make these kinds of mistakes, yes?
>
> See the general assertion above. The same applied to my recent
> argument with Hugh and Ron about FACTS. It's all in the archives.

Which still leaves open the assertion that if you're going to talk about
"the rest of the DimWits" it'd be good to not make mistakes

>
>
> > > Not an excuse. Just a FACT about how *I* operate and how *I* view
> > > IDEAS over nonessential details. That having said ...
> > >
> > >
> > > I stand corrected on the FDR ERROR.
>
>
> > > > And Teddy Roosevelt died of a coronary embolism, about 5 years after
> > > > exloring in Brazil.
> > > > http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/timeline.htm
> > >
> > > I am also error prone on historical dates because they are even
> > > less useful than historical facts themselves.
> >
> > Well, since y'care so little for ;em, leave 'em out. Otherwise being
wrong
> > on 'em will undercut your position.
>
> You missed my point about non=essential details. Even THOSE, when
> someone
> choose to correct it, as you did, was graceious acknowledged and
> thanked
> and "stood corrected".

Yep.

>
> Being wrong on a date by a ocuple of year (or even 10 or 20) would NOT
> undercut my position, in the CONTEXT of my post.

How 'bout the wrong roosevelt?

>
>
> > > Thus, I stand corrected on the exact chronology and dates.
>
>
> > > As for the cause of his death, it was a matter of proximate cause
> > > versus remote cause. In the account below, Teddy's death was caused
> > > by his "recurring malaria" after the Expedition, till his death.
> > > The autopsy "cause" could have been caused by the "recurring
> > > malaria". Both are obviously causally linked to Teddy's death.
> > > The coronary cause was more likely linked to his professional stress
> > > as a politician and president, and adventurous explorer, for that
> > > matter. The "recurring malaria" cause makes more sense and
> > > relates more to Teddy's adventures, at least to Teddy HIMSELF,
> > > as he was quoted on the heavy toll of his Brazilian trip:
> > >
> >
> > No doubt that it took a heavy toll. Except on cause is documented, and
the
> > other not.
> > Just did some research and didn't find anything that linked malaria to
blood
> > clots.
> > Guess its another one of those "nonessential" details though.
> >
> > Dennis
>
> You overlooked my long paragraph above about autopsy cause and remote
> cause.

Not at all.

>
> Not find ANYTHING? I guess my reply had reached the limit of your
> attention span?

Not at all.

I looked on several medical websites - nothing about malaria causing blood
clots.

>
> > >
> > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/ice/sfe...roosevelt.html
> > >
> > > > The trip exacted a heavy toll on the once indefatigable Theodore
> > Roosevelt.
> > > > Writing to a friend, TR confessed, "The Brazilian wilderness stole
away
> > 10
> > > > years of my life." He never fully recovered his prior vigor and was
> > > > troubled by recurring malaria until his death in 1919.
>
> It was linked to recurring malaria.

No, just that it took a heavy toll, but if the recurring malaria doesn't
cause blood clots, its not a cause.

Pretty straightforward, right?

Dennis
>
> -- Bob.

> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com>

> > I'll cut through a log of smog by stating upfront that when I am
> > FACTUALLY corrected on ANYTHING I posted, even non-essential details,
> > I ALWAYS "stand corrected".

Liar

"Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message news:<105kkrmlhnbbqb8@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8fb7380b.0403181710.6456a19f@posting.google.c om...

> > I'll cut through a log of smog by stating upfront that when I am
> > FACTUALLY corrected on ANYTHING I posted, even non-essential details,
> > I ALWAYS "stand corrected".

> Sounds good.

I misspelled "lot" as "log" above. It almost sounded better. ;)


> > By implication, any subsequent flamewar is ALWAYS the result of
> > someone challenging FACTS when they are in the wrong.

Lee called me a "Liar" without citing any example, even though
I CITED the example about HIM arguing for days over his own
error about the Georgetown Pier and the dive shop nema.

> > A trivial and amusing example one in which Lee Bell came out picking
> > a fight with my on my two-line assertion of the location of a dive
> > relative to the Georgetown Pier in Grand Cayman.
> >
> >
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Le... le.com&rnum=1
> >
> > It turned out he was mistaken about the location of the Georgetown
> > Pier where I've going every year to board the Cayman Aggressor and
> > Lee didn't even remember the correct name of the dive shop. But
> > none of that stopped Lee from ARGUING.
> >
> > Now onto my rely to you:
>
> Ok.



> > See the general assertion above. The same applied to my recent
> > argument with Hugh and Ron about FACTS. It's all in the archives.
>
> Which still leaves open the assertion that if you're going to talk about
> "the rest of the DimWits" it'd be good to not make mistakes

Ah, this is YOUR mental block. DimWits are just DimWits. They
are unable to think or reason. Has nothing to do with misspellings,
imperfect recall of dates that are inconsequential and non-essential
in a conversation, such as posts in THIS forum. even geniuses
much smarter than me make those. As long as they acknowledge
"stand corrected" when pointed out, they are just what they are,
mistakes that can be made by anyone.

> > > > I stand corrected on the FDR ERROR.


> > You missed my point about non=essential details. Even THOSE, when
> > someone choose to correct it, as you did, was graceious acknowledged
> > and thanked and "stood corrected".
>
> Yep.
>
> >
> > Being wrong on a date by a ocuple of year (or even 10 or 20) would NOT
> > undercut my position, in the CONTEXT of my post.
>
> How 'bout the wrong roosevelt?

> > > > I stand corrected on the FDR ERROR.

Ir WAS a NON-ESSENTIAL error in the conext of what Roosevelt SAID.
I explained it was a careless slip. Whether it was said by TD,
FTD, DRD, FDR, ... the POINT I made in those 4 lines would
remain completely unaltered.


> > > > Thus, I stand corrected on the exact chronology and dates.



> > > > As for the cause of his death, it was a matter of proximate cause
> > > > versus remote cause.

I explained to you TWICE already and cited a webpage which attributed
the cause to his recurring Malaria.

You keep insisting that the cause HAS to mean the blood clod.

Read the introductory book by Copi, "Introduction to Logic" and
learn the meanings (not only plural, but a LARGE number of
different ones) of CAUSE there.


> I looked on several medical websites - nothing about malaria causing blood
> clots.

Doesn't HAVE to.

..
> Writing to a friend, TR confessed, "The Brazilian wilderness stole
> away 10 years of my life." He never fully recovered his prior
> vigor and was troubled by recurring malaria until his death in 1919.

> > It was linked to recurring malaria.
>
> No, just that it took a heavy toll, but if the recurring malaria doesn't
> cause blood clots, its not a cause.

This is a rhetorical argument for ARGUMENT sake. Have you heard
of MULTIPLE CAUSES not necessarily one cauing the other/
You are mental-blocked into the idea of "causal chain"
and "immediate cause". The idea of MULTIPLE causes, not
causally linked, would seem to apply to Teddy's death --
that would be the scientific and logician's way of putting it.


> Pretty straightforward, right?

Yes, if you studied or understood the LOGIC of CAUSATION. I have
taught it in classes, and published scientific articles on that
very subject.

I think any further continuation of this discussion will be
counterproductive.

Thanks just the same for the useful and productive discussion
prior to your latest post.


- Bob.

"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
news:<105kkrmlhnbbqb8@corp.supernews.com>...
> > "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8fb7380b.0403181710.6456a19f@posting.google.c om...
>
> > > I'll cut through a log of smog by stating upfront that when I am
> > > FACTUALLY corrected on ANYTHING I posted, even non-essential details,
> > > I ALWAYS "stand corrected".
>
> > Sounds good.
>
> I misspelled "lot" as "log" above. It almost sounded better. ;)
>
>
> > > By implication, any subsequent flamewar is ALWAYS the result of
> > > someone challenging FACTS when they are in the wrong.
>
> Lee called me a "Liar" without citing any example, even though
> I CITED the example about HIM arguing for days over his own
> error about the Georgetown Pier and the dive shop nema.
>
> > > A trivial and amusing example one in which Lee Bell came out picking
> > > a fight with my on my two-line assertion of the location of a dive
> > > relative to the Georgetown Pier in Grand Cayman.
> > >
> > >
> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Le... le.com&rnum=1
> > >
> > > It turned out he was mistaken about the location of the Georgetown
> > > Pier where I've going every year to board the Cayman Aggressor and
> > > Lee didn't even remember the correct name of the dive shop. But
> > > none of that stopped Lee from ARGUING.
> > >
> > > Now onto my rely to you:
> >
> > Ok.
>
>
>
> > > See the general assertion above. The same applied to my recent
> > > argument with Hugh and Ron about FACTS. It's all in the archives.
> >
> > Which still leaves open the assertion that if you're going to talk about
> > "the rest of the DimWits" it'd be good to not make mistakes
>
> Ah, this is YOUR mental block. DimWits are just DimWits. They
> are unable to think or reason. Has nothing to do with misspellings,
> imperfect recall of dates that are inconsequential and non-essential
> in a conversation, such as posts in THIS forum. even geniuses
> much smarter than me make those. As long as they acknowledge
> "stand corrected" when pointed out, they are just what they are,
> mistakes that can be made by anyone.
>
> > > > > I stand corrected on the FDR ERROR.
>
>
> > > You missed my point about non=essential details. Even THOSE, when
> > > someone choose to correct it, as you did, was graceious acknowledged
> > > and thanked and "stood corrected".
> >
> > Yep.
> >
> > >
> > > Being wrong on a date by a ocuple of year (or even 10 or 20) would NOT
> > > undercut my position, in the CONTEXT of my post.
> >
> > How 'bout the wrong roosevelt?
>
> > > > > I stand corrected on the FDR ERROR.
>
> Ir WAS a NON-ESSENTIAL error in the conext of what Roosevelt SAID.
> I explained it was a careless slip. Whether it was said by TD,
> FTD, DRD, FDR, ... the POINT I made in those 4 lines would
> remain completely unaltered.
>
>
> > > > > Thus, I stand corrected on the exact chronology and dates.
>
>
>
> > > > > As for the cause of his death, it was a matter of proximate cause
> > > > > versus remote cause.
>
> I explained to you TWICE already and cited a webpage which attributed
> the cause to his recurring Malaria.

No, it said that he was troubled by recurring malaria until his death.
Didn't say that was the cause.

>
> You keep insisting that the cause HAS to mean the blood clod.

Because the one I'd found had said that.

>
> Read the introductory book by Copi, "Introduction to Logic" and
> learn the meanings (not only plural, but a LARGE number of
> different ones) of CAUSE there.
>
>
> > I looked on several medical websites - nothing about malaria causing
blood
> > clots.
>
> Doesn't HAVE to.

Sure it does.

>
> .
> > Writing to a friend, TR confessed, "The Brazilian wilderness stole
> > away 10 years of my life." He never fully recovered his prior
> > vigor and was troubled by recurring malaria until his death in 1919.
>
> > > It was linked to recurring malaria.
> >
> > No, just that it took a heavy toll, but if the recurring malaria
doesn't
> > cause blood clots, its not a cause.
>
> This is a rhetorical argument for ARGUMENT sake. Have you heard
> of MULTIPLE CAUSES not necessarily one cauing the other/
> You are mental-blocked into the idea of "causal chain"
> and "immediate cause". The idea of MULTIPLE causes, not
> causally linked, would seem to apply to Teddy's death --
> that would be the scientific and logician's way of putting it.
>

If you want to look at it that way, then one could argue that his having
such an active lifestyle was a 'cause", usng you rationale.

>
> > Pretty straightforward, right?
>
> Yes, if you studied or understood the LOGIC of CAUSATION. I have
> taught it in classes, and published scientific articles on that
> very subject.

Then why are you having such difficulty with this?

>
> I think any further continuation of this discussion will be
> counterproductive.

I agree.

>
> Thanks just the same for the useful and productive discussion
> prior to your latest post.
>

You're welcome.

>
> - Bob.

"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8fb7380b.0403181710.6456a19f@posting.google.c om...
> "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
news:<105jbp7arm09k51@corp.supernews.com>...
> > "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8fb7380b.0403180514.39bae07c@posting.google.c om...
> >> > > >
> > > > > Michael, "I already have more lives than any 9 of you put
together"
> > > > > (Apologies to FDR for paraphrasing his famous quote by Roosevelt
> > > > > at the age of 51 when asked why he risked his life exploring the
> > > > > Amazon. BTW, he died of malaria from that trip a year or so
later.
> > >
> > > Hi Dennis,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the corrections! I mean it sincerely. It's not like
> > > the nitpickin' grammar and spelling kind I get in rec.scuba.*
> > >
> >
> > You're welcome.
>
> I'll cut through a log of smog by stating upfront that when I am
> FACTUALLY corrected on ANYTHING I posted, even non-essential details,
> I ALWAYS "stand corrected".
>
> By implication, any subsequent flamewar is ALWAYS the result of
> someone challenging FACTS when they are in the wrong.

Conceited? Naw... he's convinced.

Reef Fish wrote:
>


absolutely incredibly boring tedious endless drivel snipped.
bob, you could bore a stump to death.

your posts remind me of what pete seeger once said,
"every verse is dumber than the last."



>
> - Bob.

Crownfield <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:<405B89AE.6FEE@cox.net>...
> Reef Fish wrote:
> >
>
>
> absolutely incredibly boring tedious endless drivel snipped.
> bob, you could bore a stump to death.


I presume you are referring to my reply to what you would call
"incredibly woring tedious endless drivel" by Dennis?


Did someone point a gun in your head to force you to read it?

Buzz away, Clownfield.

-- Bob.