USS Oriskany (CVA-34)

USS Oriskany (CVA-34)

When and where are they going to sink this boat?

I've heard Miami, GA/SC offshore state line area,
Destin/Pensacola, Texas/Corpus-Cristi area.

Anyone have an update or anything?

Sounds like Pensacola's the winner...

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/talla...ws/8361059.htm



On 5 Apr 2004 12:26:19 -0700, mike_sutton_nospam@yahoo.com (Michael
Sutton) wrote:

>USS Oriskany (CVA-34)
>
>When and where are they going to sink this boat?
>
>I've heard Miami, GA/SC offshore state line area,
>Destin/Pensacola, Texas/Corpus-Cristi area.
>
>Anyone have an update or anything?

Hopefully they'll do a better job than the "Circus crew"
who was running the sinking(flipping) of the Spiegal Grove


Jason W. Coym <jwcoym@NOSPAM.hotmail.com.REMOVEFOREMAIL> wrote in message news:<tbq37098dnncf3rde22e38jbqr515q861n@4ax.com>. ..
> Sounds like Pensacola's the winner...
>
> http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/talla...ws/8361059.htm
>
>
>
> On 5 Apr 2004 12:26:19 -0700, mike_sutton_nospam@yahoo.com (Michael
> Sutton) wrote:
>
> >USS Oriskany (CVA-34)
> >
> >When and where are they going to sink this boat?
> >
> >I've heard Miami, GA/SC offshore state line area,
> >Destin/Pensacola, Texas/Corpus-Cristi area.
> >
> >Anyone have an update or anything?

hi Mike, I live in Corpus Christi and heard on the news the other day it's
going to Pensacola...I was hoping she would stay around here since we have
the Lexington topside, we could have the Oriskany below! Either way it will
be nice to be able to dive a US carrier close by. Hope that helps!
"Michael Sutton" <mike_sutton_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4ffb8c12.0404051126.1e2f71cb@posting.google.c om...
> USS Oriskany (CVA-34)
>
> When and where are they going to sink this boat?
>
> I've heard Miami, GA/SC offshore state line area,
> Destin/Pensacola, Texas/Corpus-Cristi area.
>
> Anyone have an update or anything?

"Tha Wave" <dsmith2@stx.rr.com> wrote in message news:<_Jxec.19288$jR6.8153@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
> hi Mike, I live in Corpus Christi and heard on the news the other day it's
> going to Pensacola...I was hoping she would stay around here since we have
> the Lexington topside, we could have the Oriskany below! Either way it will
> be nice to be able to dive a US carrier close by. Hope that helps!

I'm doubting that most people won't dive it.
Based on the depth they have announced they will sink it.

If they sink it in 212-220 feet of water, then the flight
deck will be somewhere around 120 feet to 130 feet deep.
That will put it out of reach of most recreational divers.
For those who do dive it, you'll on have around 10 or 12
minutes of bottom time on air.

They are planning on removing the super-structure, or
at least parts or most of it. Perhaps some of it will
be left as their permit for sinking it required them
to have at least 55 feet of clearance from the surface
to the wreck.

It's going to be around 22 miles from the Pensacola inlet
and around 30 miles from the Destin Pass inlet. So it'll
be an all day boat trip, tying up the dive boat all day
thus increasing the per-trip-price.

So basically it's going to be an all day boat trip at
double the cost for two dives around 10 minutes each (+/-).

So I doubt that it will be dove as much as it could be
based on it's location and the other stated factors.

They also think it will have an annual ecnomic impact of
about $92 million per year. Maybe so if you could
reach the flight deck in under 100 feet, but right
now I just don't see it.


> "Michael Sutton" <mike_sutton_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4ffb8c12.0404051126.1e2f71cb@posting.google.c om...
> > USS Oriskany (CVA-34)
> >
> > When and where are they going to sink this boat?
> >
> > I've heard Miami, GA/SC offshore state line area,
> > Destin/Pensacola, Texas/Corpus-Cristi area.
> >
> > Anyone have an update or anything?

But easy for techies who will go even at the greater cost if there is
more than a flight deck to look at.

Leave the hanger deck (hmmm. any surplus aircraft that can go down with
it?) accesible along with some passageway to explore and it would be a
great dive. At 910-feet by 150-feet, it dwarfs the Spiegal Grove, the
Andrea Doria and is even larger than the Saratoga and Nagato at Bikini
Atoll. This will be the largest diveable wreck in the world.

I'm not suggesting leaving it wide open to all decks, Essex class (and
generally all carriers) are mazes of tight passageways that can confuse
even crewmembers. It would easily become a deathtrap for divers if left
wide open. Those passageways make most cave systems look like an
interstate highway, complete with exit signs.

But leave some of the island, the hanger deck, cut some holes into the
(sealed off) engine room and some other key areas. It would make for one
hellof a fun dive on doubles with the right mix. You could dive the
engine room, then have a deco stop in the hanger and another on the
island.

There are several Essex/Ticondaroga class floating museums around the
country for folks wanting to see what is being sunk --

USS Yorktown - Charlston, SC
USS Intrepid -NYC
USS Hornet - Alameda, CA
USS Lexington - Corpus Christi, TX


Here's a good web site with ship diagrams to give an idea of the ship as
well -- http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/cv-9.htm



Ron



>
> If they sink it in 212-220 feet of water, then the flight
> deck will be somewhere around 120 feet to 130 feet deep.
> That will put it out of reach of most recreational divers.
> For those who do dive it, you'll on have around 10 or 12
> minutes of bottom time on air.
>
> They are planning on removing the super-structure, or
> at least parts or most of it. Perhaps some of it will
> be left as their permit for sinking it required them
> to have at least 55 feet of clearance from the surface
> to the wreck.

Ron T <ombligo@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:<ombligo-7870F2.05471213042004@newsr1.tampabay.rr.com>...
> But easy for techies who will go even at the greater cost if there is
> more than a flight deck to look at.
>
> Leave the hanger deck (hmmm. any surplus aircraft that can go down with
> it?) accesible along with some passageway to explore and it would be a
> great dive. At 910-feet by 150-feet, it dwarfs the Spiegal Grove, the
> Andrea Doria and is even larger than the Saratoga and Nagato at Bikini
> Atoll. This will be the largest diveable wreck in the world.
>
> I'm not suggesting leaving it wide open to all decks, Essex class (and
> generally all carriers) are mazes of tight passageways that can confuse
> even crewmembers. It would easily become a deathtrap for divers if left
> wide open. Those passageways make most cave systems look like an
> interstate highway, complete with exit signs.
>
> But leave some of the island, the hanger deck, cut some holes into the
> (sealed off) engine room and some other key areas. It would make for one
> hellof a fun dive on doubles with the right mix. You could dive the
> engine room, then have a deco stop in the hanger and another on the
> island.
>
> There are several Essex/Ticondaroga class floating museums around the
> country for folks wanting to see what is being sunk --
>
> USS Yorktown - Charlston, SC
> USS Intrepid -NYC
> USS Hornet - Alameda, CA
> USS Lexington - Corpus Christi, TX
>
>
> Here's a good web site with ship diagrams to give an idea of the ship as
> well -- http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/cv-9.htm


I think they might leave some of the island, but not sure how much.

As for other carriers being sunk. I doubt any of the floating
museums listed above will be sunk, but they do have a list of
other large ships to be sunk as the paperwork and environmental
issues get completed. I think this includes the Forrestal and
the Independence, which I think are even bigger than the Oriskany.

The Vandenberg is supposed to be sunk off Key West sometime also.
They are trying to raise the $2.2 million to pay for the costs
of permits, cleaning, sinking, etc. Hopefully they won't use
the same idiots who flipped the Spiegal Grove.
Oh,...... the Vandenberg is about 520 feet long, which is slightly
longer than the Spiegal Grove is and I think they plan to leave
it's huge 40+ foot radar dishes intact.
>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> >
> > If they sink it in 212-220 feet of water, then the flight
> > deck will be somewhere around 120 feet to 130 feet deep.
> > That will put it out of reach of most recreational divers.
> > For those who do dive it, you'll on have around 10 or 12
> > minutes of bottom time on air.
> >
> > They are planning on removing the super-structure, or
> > at least parts or most of it. Perhaps some of it will
> > be left as their permit for sinking it required them
> > to have at least 55 feet of clearance from the surface
> > to the wreck.

>
>
> I think they might leave some of the island, but not sure how much.

What is currently on the ship could be left and it should be deep enough.

>
> As for other carriers being sunk. I doubt any of the floating
> museums listed above will be sunk,

I would hope not; did not mean to imply they would.


> but they do have a list of
> other large ships to be sunk as the paperwork and environmental
> issues get completed. I think this includes the Forrestal and
> the Independence, which I think are even bigger than the Oriskany.

Forrestal is slated for a museum, Tampa tried to get it but didn't have
the funding. I think Baltimore may be in line for it.

The Independence may be slated for sinking, if so it would be larger by
nearly 100-feet