Hurricane Ivan changed itinerary of Pacific Princess

The Pacific Princess has left Manta, Ecuador 2 hours ago, crusing
toward the Panama Canal.

The Captain announced over dinner tonight that because of the
devastation in Grand Cayman by Hurricane Ivan, the ship will change
course and itinerary and stop at Ocho Rio instead of Grand Cayman.

-- Bob.

"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The Pacific Princess has left Manta, Ecuador 2 hours ago, crusing
> toward the Panama Canal.
>
> The Captain announced over dinner tonight that because of the
> devastation in Grand Cayman by Hurricane Ivan, the ship will change
> course and itinerary and stop at Ocho Rio instead of Grand Cayman.

If those cruise ships are so big and powerful, why don't they just move the
hurricane?

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:54:24 -0700, "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com>
wrote:

>"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:8fb7380b.0409151838.46a8cf94@posting.google. com...
>> The Pacific Princess has left Manta, Ecuador 2 hours ago, crusing
>> toward the Panama Canal.
>>
>> The Captain announced over dinner tonight that because of the
>> devastation in Grand Cayman by Hurricane Ivan, the ship will change
>> course and itinerary and stop at Ocho Rio instead of Grand Cayman.
>
>If those cruise ships are so big and powerful, why don't they just move the
>hurricane?
>

Silly, there's no place to put the fenders and no bollards.

--
dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message news:<414afb3d$0$104$6c56adcd@news.qnet.com>...
> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8fb7380b.0409151838.46a8cf94@posting.google.c om...
> > The Pacific Princess has left Manta, Ecuador 2 hours ago, crusing
> > toward the Panama Canal.

It is passing through the last LOCK now, with a clearance of about
1 foot on both sides of the ship. (The width of the Panama Canal locks
has become the de facto max spec of the WIDTH of any ship that expects
to go through the canal between the Pacific and the Atlantic.

> >
> > The Captain announced over dinner tonight that because of the
> > devastation in Grand Cayman by Hurricane Ivan, the ship will change
> > course and itinerary and stop at Ocho Rio instead of Grand Cayman.
>
> If those cruise ships are so big and powerful, why don't they just move the
> hurricane?

As big and powerful the biggest and most powerful cruiseship is, a
hurricane such as Ivan is probably 100,000 more powerful, depending on
how you measure "powerful".

But the cruiseship can certainly RUN AWAY from a hurricane faster than
any liveaboard boat, and I've not heard of any hurricane turning a
moored cruiship upside down in one gust of wind as the hurricane did
to the Wave Dancer in Belize.

-- Bob.

"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> But the cruiseship can certainly RUN AWAY from a hurricane faster than
> any liveaboard boat, and I've not heard of any hurricane turning a
> moored cruiship upside down in one gust of wind as the hurricane did
> to the Wave Dancer in Belize.

Don't forget the Poseidon Adventure. I hope you can hold your breath as
long as Shelly Winters.

> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8fb7380b.0409171129.35e11269@posting.google.c om...
>
> > But the cruiseship can certainly RUN AWAY from a hurricane faster than
> > any liveaboard boat, and I've not heard of any hurricane turning a
> > moored cruiship upside down in one gust of wind as the hurricane did
> > to the Wave Dancer in Belize.

If ignorance is bliss, this guy is one of the most blissful in the group.

I don't know what liveaboards he's talking about, but my experience clearly
differs from his. Cruise ships are not all that fast. While they may be
able to outrun a slow storm, they're not likely to beat out one of the
faster ones . . . and the Wave Dancer was exposed to a bit more than one
gust of wind.

Never mind. Bob's not one to let the facts get in his way.

Lee

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<faN2d.5256$n16.1874@newsread2.news.atl.earth link.net>...
> > "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8fb7380b.0409171129.35e11269@posting.google.c om...
> >
> > > But the cruiseship can certainly RUN AWAY from a hurricane faster than
> > > any liveaboard boat, and I've not heard of any hurricane turning a
> > > moored cruiship upside down in one gust of wind as the hurricane did
> > > to the Wave Dancer in Belize.
>
> If ignorance is bliss, this guy is one of the most blissful in the group.

Well, well, looky who's here: DING-DONG Lee Bell -- that's the name
bestowed Lee, by the most respected member of the listserv LIST, who
NEVER had any flamewar with anyone except the ones provoked by Lee Bell.

Now, Lee is known by EVERYONE on that list as Mr. DING DONG.


When I saw the subject "ding, dong, the dickheads gone" in rec.scuba,
I thought they were referring to Lee. But it was someone else.


>
> I don't know what liveaboards he's talking about, but my experience clearly
> differs from his. Cruise ships are not all that fast.

Lee's experience on liveaboards and cruiseships? Virtually NONE.
But you don't have to be ON any of them to ascertain FACTS about them.


Lee is well-known for his antics of having one foot in mouth, while
shooring his other foot. DING DONG's fast draw:

> Never mind. Bob's not one to let the facts get in his way.
>
> Lee

Lee never bothers to LOOK for any facts. These are just EXAMPLES
readily found on webpages:

Cayman Aggressor: crusing speed 12 knots
Okeanos Aggressor (to Cocos Island): cruising speed 10 knots

Pacific Princess (the smallest/slowest) cruising speed 20 knots
Sapphire Princess: cruising speed 23 knots


Lee forgot to brag this time that I am on his "blocked list" -- that
he doesn't read my posts, only those snippets cited by others.

Lee> If ignorance is bliss, this guy is one of the most blissful
Lee> in the group.

Lee, you couldn't have found a better example in your present post
for the above characterization of YOURSELF! Congratulations.

-- Bob.

"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Did they show any satellite pictures or radar maps of the hurricane
> in the Poseidon Adventure? I don't seem to recall. Besides,
> I thought it was a tidal wave (a tsunami) and NOT a hurricane that
> capsized the Poseiden.

Maybe, but then look at the Titanic. That boat couldn't even run away from
an iceberg.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message news:<414c5491$0$104$6c56adcd@news.qnet.com>...
> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8fb7380b.0409180548.77bf09e7@posting.google.c om...
>
> > Did they show any satellite pictures or radar maps of the hurricane
> > in the Poseidon Adventure? I don't seem to recall. Besides,
> > I thought it was a tidal wave (a tsunami) and NOT a hurricane that
> > capsized the Poseiden.
>
> Maybe, but then look at the Titanic. That boat couldn't even run away from
> an iceberg.

Greg,

Look at the SUBJECT. It's about "hurricane", and "Hurricane Ivan" in
particular.

You've been hanging around rec.scuba.* too much to have undoubtedly
caught the ADS from the folks like DING-DONG Bell.

-- Bob.

Reef Fish <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>Did they show any satellite pictures or radar maps of the hurricane
>in the Poseidon Adventure? I don't seem to recall. Besides,
>I thought it was a tidal wave (a tsunami) and NOT a hurricane that
>capsized the Poseiden.

Yep, caused by an underwater earthquake, IIRC.
--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com