Cayman dive sites

Hi all, I spend a nice week diving in Grand Cayman one year ago, and now
after Ivan, Jeannine and who knows wich one more... I was wondering how the
reefs are? Did they still in good??? I really hope so.

Thanks in advance !!

Albert
Barcelona

"Albert F." <albert.faXXX@terra.es> wrote in message news:<TYG5d.150584$r4.4803790@news-reader.eresmas.com>...
> Hi all, I spend a nice week diving in Grand Cayman one year ago, and now
> after Ivan, Jeannine and who knows wich one more... I was wondering how the
> reefs are? Did they still in good??? I really hope so.

Albert, hurricanes are largely a "surface phenomenon".

The best example is that tiny little plane sitting about 30 feet below
the surface at the La Ceiba hotel shore in Cozumel. It's still there
after Gilbert and all the other hurricanes that hit Coz. Gilbert
blew away the steel-reenforced concrete La Ceiba pier, but the plane
was hardly damaged about 100 feet off shore.

The hurricanes moved it less than the propellers of a nearby
cruiseship did on one occasion.


I've dived all three Cayman islands every year for the past 15, and
I can't even count the number of hurricanes that had passed through
or hit the islands.

But I can tell you that the underwater world (except those very close
to the surface) is hardly affected at all, by the hurricanes.

The small changes in the sunken wrecks are more noticeable than
anything else.

The Russian wreck (Brac) was snapped in the middle and then leaned
over after the first couple of hurricanes after it was sunk, but
had been stable since, more or less like the Oro Verde in Grand
Cayman -- just disintegrates a bit more each year -- but basically
the smae wreck year after year.

Go and enjoy your diving there. No need to worry about what any
hurricane did or didn't do UNDERWATER, as long as you have water,
electricity, and hosing above.

-- Bob.

Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com (Reef Fish) pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:Albert, hurricanes are largely a "surface phenomenon".
:
:The best example is that tiny little plane sitting about 30 feet below
:the surface at the La Ceiba hotel shore in Cozumel. It's still there
:after Gilbert and all the other hurricanes that hit Coz. Gilbert
:blew away the steel-reenforced concrete La Ceiba pier, but the plane
:was hardly damaged about 100 feet off shore.

Which means that you should definetely be worried about things like
piers. If you can't get on the boat, it doesn't matter how nice the
reefs are.

The guy who asked the question should be contacting the resort he
intends to stary with to see what issues there are getting on and off
the dive boat, and whether or not they are important to him.

Dan Bracuk
Is it my imagination, or do Buffalo Wings taste like chicken?
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/


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Sorry,

I forgot to attach the Ocean Frontier's Article. Here it is:
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As posted By Ocean Frontiers:

The staff made one extensive shore dive yesterday covering two of the
most weather-exposed dive sites, River of Sand and High Rock Drop Off.
Both are near the famous Cayman Blowholes on the south side of the
island, near East End. The visibility was good and the whole area has a
much "cleaner" appearance as any algae that was there is now gone. Many
new gullies, tunnels, and swimthroughs are now further exposed and safe
for divers to enter and exit since most of the sand has washed away. In
fact, much of the sand has naturally relocated and may be found on the
new 30-foot wide beach that mother nature dropped on the Compass Point
doorstep -- happily there is a silver lining. The hard corals and reef
structure seem to have been built to "hurricane code" appear to be in
very good shape. While some sponges remain on these two dive sites, many
have tipped over, leaving their "root" for healthy regrowth. The parade
of marine life was out in full force, with a large grouper, 2 turtles
and a school of 5 barracuda escorting Steve around the reef. Given that
this dive was made on two of Cayman's dive sites that were most exposed
to the full brunt of Ivan's fury, the prognosis is excellent for the
other less-exposed areas around the island.
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Ed wrote:

> To all concerned about cayman Dive sites:
>
> The following is a copy of an article posted on the Ocean Frontiers
> Web Site on the 24 of Sept. My wife and I were on Island (Grand
> Cayman) before, during and for a couple of days after Ivan struck. It
> was the worst time of our lives. We truly did not know if we would
> survive or not. We were forced out of the Marriott Courtyard by the
> police and into a "shelter". On Sunday morning around 07:00 it was
> hit by lightning and the roof proceeded to progressively peel off.
> ASAP later Sunday, we were transported to another "shelter" on the
> other side of the athletic field where we were at least dry. We
> escaped on Monday and returned to the Marriott Courtyard that had
> minimal damage and we remained for the next two nights. We managed to
> get evacuated on Wednesday 15 Sept.. Were were two of the lucky ones.
>
> Over the last several years on Grand Cayman the algae has
> progressed and slowly inundated the corals in the waters especially on
> the west side of Grand Cayman. Ivan MAY have been a blessing to the
> corals. The article by Ocean Frontiers would tend to support my
> supposition. I will wait to hear first hand from someone I trust to
> support this idea. In the mean time, if anyone dives in the waters of
> Grand Cayman within the next several weeks, I would really like to get
> your observations.
> FWIW.
>
> Ed
>
> Dan Bracuk wrote:
>
>> Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com (Reef Fish) pounded away at his
>> keyboard resulting in:
>> :Albert, hurricanes are largely a "surface phenomenon".
>> :
>> :The best example is that tiny little plane sitting about 30 feet below
>> :the surface at the La Ceiba hotel shore in Cozumel. It's still
>> there :after Gilbert and all the other hurricanes that hit Coz. Gilbert
>> :blew away the steel-reenforced concrete La Ceiba pier, but the plane
>> :was hardly damaged about 100 feet off shore.
>>
>> Which means that you should definetely be worried about things like
>> piers. If you can't get on the boat, it doesn't matter how nice the
>> reefs are.
>>
>> The guy who asked the question should be contacting the resort he
>> intends to stary with to see what issues there are getting on and off
>> the dive boat, and whether or not they are important to him.
>>
>> Dan Bracuk
>> Is it my imagination, or do Buffalo Wings taste like chicken?
>> The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
>>
>>
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"Dan Bracuk" <NOTbracuk@pathcom.com> wrote in message
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> Which means that you should definetely be worried about things like
> piers. If you can't get on the boat, it doesn't matter how nice the
> reefs are.

I dove at Cabo Pulmo a couple weeks ago. We helped push the boat into the
water from the beach, then waded in and hopped aboard. Worked just fine.

Don't they have sandy beaches in the Caymans?

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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> "Dan Bracuk" <NOTbracuk@pathcom.com> wrote in message
> news:m14hl0ht56dl8n016c7ijmqdk821j038cm@4ax.com...
>
>> Which means that you should definetely be worried about things like
>> piers. If you can't get on the boat, it doesn't matter how nice the
>> reefs are.
>
> I dove at Cabo Pulmo a couple weeks ago. We helped push the boat into the
> water from the beach, then waded in and hopped aboard. Worked just fine.
>
> Don't they have sandy beaches in the Caymans?

They have one. It's really long . . . about 7 miles long.

Lee Bell wrote:

>>Don't they have sandy beaches in the Caymans?
>
>
> They have one. It's really long . . . about 7 miles long.

Don't tell everyone, but they have a lot of other sandy beaches too. It's just that
the one gets all the publicity and most of the tourists. The publicity is wrong, BTW.
7MB is actually "only" about 5.5 miles long.

Unless somebody has a recent and reliable report that says otherwise, GC may have a
lot more, a lot less, or just different sandy beaches than it did at the beginning of
the month. And hurricane season still has about 60 days to go.

--
Steve

The above can be construed as personal opinion in the absence of a reasonable
belief that it was intended as a statement of fact.

If you want a reply to reach me, remove the SPAMTRAP from the address.

Steve <scagrotto@hvc.rr.com> wrote:

> Lee Bell wrote:
>
> >>Don't they have sandy beaches in the Caymans?
> >
> >
> > They have one. It's really long . . . about 7 miles long.
>
> [5.5 miles]
>
>
> Unless somebody has a recent and reliable report that says otherwise,
> GC may have a lot more, a lot less, or just different sandy beaches
> than it did at the beginning of the month.


Prior to Ivan, the Grand Cayman was talking about pumping sand in to
replenish 7mi beach, because the beach had been getting small. I did
see one report that claimed that the storm did that beach replenishment
for them, but at this point, consider this to be unverified. There's
also going to be a lot of sand that's current next to some of the roads
that's going to have to be 'put' somewhere...

On reefs, I'd expect the shallows to have taken the usual hits. I did
get a brief post-Ivan dive report from Cayman Brac that reported some
damage in 50fsw deep areas, notably some large barrel sponges lost and
that the Cayman Mariner (dive site "East Chute") had its bow 'ripped
off'. The Cayman Mariner has been slowly collapsing over the past half
dozen years, so this it probably didn't need too much of a push. The
#356 Wreck is reportedly unchanged, which I find modestly surprising.


Historically, the November 1932 Storm that hit the Caymans alludes to it
stripping off Cayman Brac's northside beaches. The history's a bit
vague, but its my impression that there could have easily been 7 miles
of beaches over here before 11/32 that would have rivaled Grand Cayman.


-hh

" H. Huntzinger" <{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba@huntzinger.com> wrote in
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> Historically, the November 1932 Storm that hit the Caymans alludes to it
> stripping off Cayman Brac's northside beaches. The history's a bit
> vague, but its my impression that there could have easily been 7 miles
> of beaches over here before 11/32 that would have rivaled Grand Cayman.

Then I say, with all consideration to those who suffered, Thank God Brac
doesn't have those beaches anymore. The island would be ruined similarly to
Grand Cayman by now.

I'm not even an "oldie" when it comes to visiting GC, as my first visit was
in 1979, but it has spiraled downhill in every sense, since then. I can only
imagine how beautiful it must have been in the late 50's when the islands
first few dive ops opened.