Key Largo Suggestions

"Daniel Arrepas" <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> wrote in message
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> "George Price" <gprice3@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> The answer is: Marathon is a city located on Vaca Key.
>
> I don't think it important to differentiate Key Vaca from Marathon,
> because there is no part of Key Vaca that isn't part of Marathon, But
> since there are parts of Marathon (Boot key, Hog Key, Night Key, East and
> West Sisters etc.) that aren't Key Vaca.....calling the whole area
> "Marathon", makes good sense.
>
> When I was younger and could drink all night and throwup through my
> regulator in the morning, I lived in Marathon for a while......can anyone
> tell me if the Idle Hour is still open?
>

"Rosalie B." <gmbeasley@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Marathon was named by Flagler's work crews. They said that building
> the railroad was 'a marathon'. They were working 7 days a week and
> long hours to get finished before he died - which they did.

I'm sorry, I don't understand why you posted this.

> I did know that Marathon was really on several keys including Vaca
> Key, and also that Boot Key is considered part of Marathon, as is Boot
> Key Harbor. The fact that most of the surrounding area gets their
> mail through the Marathon PO though doesn't mean that those places
> aren't separate and distinct places.

That's a response to a comment never made. The City of Marathon is located
on more than Key Vaca, That someone, somewhere else would want to call
other keys and islands that aren't within the city limits "Marathon, because
their mail clears thru the marathon PO is not of any immediate pertinence to
my statement.

>>can anyone
>>tell me if the Idle Hour is still open?

> I don't remember ever seeing it.

About 18 people have e-mailed me to say...yep, it's still there, never
closed, still on AIA.

"Rosalie B." <gmbeasley@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Daniel Arrepas" <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> wrote:

>>
>>I'm sorry, I don't understand why you posted this.
>
> Because someone (you?)

Wasn't me.

> posted a completely irrelevant comment about
> there not being a Marathon Key.

Since his intention was to illuminate that Marathon is not a Key, I think
his comment was entirely relevant....and probably an interesting fact for
those not completly familiar with that portion of the Keys. In fact being
the heart of his point, I don't see that it could have been more relevant.

> It is common for people to call Hog Key and Key Colony Beach and other
> nearby places Marathon.

So? Key Colony Beach is within the city of Marathon as is the lower section
of Fat Deer Key. Now...the question is whether or not Key Colony Beach is on
Fat Deer Key...or a key/island to itself :^)

> A1A isn't in Marathon.

Of course it is. And it continues South all the way down to either Bertha or
Roosevelt in Key West. Your mistake is thinking that where it runs
concurrent with US1 it no longer is Florida A1A, but that is quite
incorrect. Signing regimens are that national roads get top billing. But A1A
runs the entire length of the Keys, diverging from US 1 for on 2 or 3 miles.

> There is an Idle Hour in Deerfield Beach on A1A though.

Did you say something about someone else's "completely irrelevant comment"?

"Daniel Arrepas" <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> wrote:
>"Rosalie B." <gmbeasley@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>> "Daniel Arrepas" <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> wrote:
>
>>>I'm sorry, I don't understand why you posted this.
>>
>> Because someone (you?)
>
>Wasn't me.
>
OK

>> posted a completely irrelevant comment about
>> there not being a Marathon Key.
>
>Since his intention was to illuminate that Marathon is not a Key, I think
>his comment was entirely relevant....and probably an interesting fact for

I thought and still think he was just showing off. Marathon isn't a
Key, but it isn't really important.

>those not completly familiar with that portion of the Keys. In fact being
>the heart of his point, I don't see that it could have been more relevant.
>
>> It is common for people to call Hog Key and Key Colony Beach and other
>> nearby places Marathon.
>
>So? Key Colony Beach is within the city of Marathon as is the lower section
>of Fat Deer Key. Now...the question is whether or not Key Colony Beach is on
>Fat Deer Key...or a key/island to itself :^)
>
I think Key Colony is a separate town. IIRC they have a town hall and
they also have rules like - no rafting at the dock, and no living
aboard. Fat Deer Key doesn't have such rules or at least they are not
enforced, and Marathon certainly does not have such rules.

>> A1A isn't in Marathon.
>
>Of course it is. And it continues South all the way down to either Bertha or
>Roosevelt in Key West. Your mistake is thinking that where it runs
>concurrent with US1 it no longer is Florida A1A, but that is quite
>incorrect. Signing regimens are that national roads get top billing. But A1A
>runs the entire length of the Keys, diverging from US 1 for on 2 or 3 miles.
>
There is an A1A in various places along the east coast of Florida, and
also out in the panhandle. I haven't been able find anywhere in the
Keys that it is different from US 1. Where does this happen?

>> There is an Idle Hour in Deerfield Beach on A1A though.
>
>Did you say something about someone else's "completely irrelevant comment"?
>
That was meant to be slightly sarcastic. I have been completely
unable to find any reference to Idle Hour in Marathon. Of course it
probably isn't my kind of establishment, so maybe I missed it. A1A
isn't AFAIK signed in Marathon so I think the reference to it is
somewhat egregious.


grandma Rosalie

>>Since his intention was to illuminate that Marathon is not a Key, I think
>>his comment was entirely relevant....and probably an interesting fact for
>
> I thought and still think he was just showing off. Marathon isn't a
> Key, but it isn't really important.
>
>>those not completly familiar with that portion of the Keys. In fact being
>>the heart of his point, I don't see that it could have been more relevant.

Gee, were you able to follow the thread back to me? Doesn't seem like it.

Lee Bell had pointed out to another, that Largo (as I made the fau pas) is
no where near Key Largo, and that some people take offence to not being
correctly identified. After correcting myself, I thought I would throw out
the thought that no one refers to Marathon as Vaca Key. Lee, did not seem
to notice, care, or was out of town. Any of the aforementioned is
accepable.

As Daniel pointed out, Marathon comprises many Keys....but Vaca is most of
it (more knit picking). My thought was, simplified, if people in the Keys
are sensitive to their idenification, why isn't Marathon a problem for
identification....there is no such key. Irrelevant? My Google search came
up with Marathon Key at the top of the list. Interesting, since it doesn't
exist. How would you like to be named something that doesn't exist?

Lee Bell has traveled, and actively travels through out the Florida Keys
(that you apparently, new to this group would not know) and I trust his
opinion if I didn't get it right.

Daniel, good information.

Rosalie, I thought Marathon had to be named after something like that; good
information, even if things seem to be irrelevant to you.

Anything goes here; irrelevant is relevant in this news group.

In addition, I'm from Detroit, but lived in Bloomfield Hills.
I now live in Orlando, Fl, but actually live in Windermere; it's all
relative.

May not make sense, but I could really give a shit one way or another .

George

> Lee Bell had pointed out to another, that Largo (as I made the fau pas) is
> no where near Key Largo, and that some people take offence to not being
> correctly identified. After correcting myself, I thought I would throw
> out the thought that no one refers to Marathon as Vaca Key. Lee, did not
> seem to notice, care, or was out of town. Any of the aforementioned is
> accepable.

I might have been out of town. I no longer carry my own computer when
traveling and, while I can still get to the groups through Google, I don't
like doing so as much as through my normal ISP. I'm not allowed, and thanks
to all the spam and viruses floating around these days, chose not to risk my
government computer the way I don't mind risking my personal ones. Also, I
haven't followed this theat that closely.

I didn't see anything I found particularly offensive in the discussion and
found some of it interesting enough to stop and read. Some things are
acceptable and some aren't. Generally, it's acceptabel to use the name of a
better known place for an area, but it's very rarely OK to add or subtract
the word "Key" from the name of anyplace. That's particularly true of Key
Largo because there is a Largo, Florida. It's in the Tampa area (yes, I
know it's between St. Petersburg and Clearwater, but not everybody knows
where that is. Interestingly, Largo Sound is near Key Largo, not Largo.
Nobody sayd it would be easy. Marathon is fine for the area, even though it
may not be specific enough to find a specific location, but Marathin Key is
another hot button for the locals.

> As Daniel pointed out, Marathon comprises many Keys....but Vaca is most of
> it (more knit picking). My thought was, simplified, if people in the Keys
> are sensitive to their idenification, why isn't Marathon a problem for
> identification....there is no such key. Irrelevant?

Because Marathon is used to refer to an area.

> Lee Bell has traveled, and actively travels through out the Florida Keys
> (that you apparently, new to this group would not know) and I trust his
> opinion if I didn't get it right.

Thanks, but be careful trusting me on the accuracy of details. I'm local to
the upper Keys and a S. Florida native. Miami Dade County is still Dade
County to me. Coral Gables, where I was born, is the Gables and anything
near Key Largo, Islamorada, Marathon or Key West is Key Largo, Islamorada,
Marathon or Key West. I'm not even sure I know what island(s) Islamorada is
on, Upper Matacumbe, probably, possibly/probably more of them. I rarely
have cause to be specific except when traveling by boat and even then, I'm
as likely to refer to features by common names rather than their correct
ones. I know where the Key Largo Cross Key Channel is, but don't have a
clue as to the real name of the cut through the island. I've passed the
signs hundreds of times, without mentally recording what they say. I grew
up refering to Key Vaca (could be one word or two). Everything now seems to
say Vaca Key except my charts, which say VACAKEY. My street maps, made by
the same company that does my electronic charts, says it's Vaca Key. I
haven't a clue which is right and, except for when I'm nit picking, don't
care. The locals, however, probably do care. Marathon is safer.

Lee

"Rosalie B." wrote

> I didn't think that it was irrelevant - just irrelevant to the
> discussion of diving in Key Largo. I did think that the information
> on the name might add a little bit to the discussion.

I think so too.

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote:

>> Lee Bell had pointed out to another, that Largo (as I made the fau pas) is
>> no where near Key Largo, and that some people take offence to not being
>> correctly identified. After correcting myself, I thought I would throw
>> out the thought that no one refers to Marathon as Vaca Key. Lee, did not
>> seem to notice, care, or was out of town. Any of the aforementioned is
>> accepable.
<snip>
>I didn't see anything I found particularly offensive in the discussion and
>found some of it interesting enough to stop and read. Some things are
>acceptable and some aren't. Generally, it's acceptabel to use the name of a
>better known place for an area, but it's very rarely OK to add or subtract
>the word "Key" from the name of anyplace. That's particularly true of Key
>Largo because there is a Largo, Florida. It's in the Tampa area (yes, I
>know it's between St. Petersburg and Clearwater, but not everybody knows
>where that is. Interestingly, Largo Sound is near Key Largo, not Largo.
>Nobody sayd it would be easy. Marathon is fine for the area, even though it
>may not be specific enough to find a specific location, but Marathin Key is
>another hot button for the locals.
>
>> As Daniel pointed out, Marathon comprises many Keys....but Vaca is most of
>> it (more knit picking). My thought was, simplified, if people in the Keys
>> are sensitive to their idenification, why isn't Marathon a problem for
>> identification....there is no such key. Irrelevant?
>
>Because Marathon is used to refer to an area.
>
>> Lee Bell has traveled, and actively travels through out the Florida Keys
>> (that you apparently, new to this group would not know) and I trust his
>> opinion if I didn't get it right.
>
>Thanks, but be careful trusting me on the accuracy of details. I'm local to
>the upper Keys and a S. Florida native. Miami Dade County is still Dade
>County to me. Coral Gables, where I was born, is the Gables and anything
>near Key Largo, Islamorada, Marathon or Key West is Key Largo, Islamorada,
>Marathon or Key West. I'm not even sure I know what island(s) Islamorada is
>on, Upper Matacumbe, probably, possibly/probably more of them. I rarely
>have cause to be specific except when traveling by boat and even then, I'm
>as likely to refer to features by common names rather than their correct
>ones. I know where the Key Largo Cross Key Channel is, but don't have a
>clue as to the real name of the cut through the island. I've passed the
>signs hundreds of times, without mentally recording what they say. I grew
>up refering to Key Vaca (could be one word or two). Everything now seems to
>say Vaca Key except my charts, which say VACAKEY. My street maps, made by
>the same company that does my electronic charts, says it's Vaca Key. I
>haven't a clue which is right and, except for when I'm nit picking, don't
>care. The locals, however, probably do care. Marathon is safer.
>

We drove down the Keys for the first time in a very long time, and I
found it quite confusing compared to being in the boat where
everything is nicely labeled on the chart..

Key Largo postal district (MM 100) goes down to Tavernier and includes
Rodriguez Key. It looks like Tavernier (MM 92) is a town on
Plantation Key. Tavernier Key is not connected by land to Plantation
Key where the town is. Tavernier is included in the Key Largo "area"

Islamorada PO is at MM 83 but the Islamorada area includes Windley
Key, Upper Matecombe, Lower Matecombe, Indian Key, Lignumvitae Key,
and down to Long Key at MM 68.5, although Long Key has it's own PO.

In the middle keys we have Key Colony Beach which is off to the side
and has its own PO and Marathon Shores which also has a PO at MM52.5.

But Marathon (MM50) area includes Conch Key, Grassy Key, Duck Key,
Crawl Key, Fat Deer Key, Coco Plum, Stirrup Key, Pretty Joe Rock,
Tingler Island, East and West Sister Rock, Palm Island, Vaca Key, Boot
Key, Knight Key, Hog Key, and Pigeon Key. And I might have missed
some.

grandma Rosalie

"Rosalie B." wrote

> We drove down the Keys for the first time in a very long time, and I
> found it quite confusing compared to being in the boat where
> everything is nicely labeled on the chart..

It has changed a lot since I was a kid.

> Key Largo postal district (MM 100) goes down to Tavernier and includes
> Rodriguez Key. It looks like Tavernier (MM 92) is a town on
> Plantation Key. Tavernier Key is not connected by land to Plantation
> Key where the town is. Tavernier is included in the Key Largo "area"

Sounds about right. Actually, we used to remember Plantation Key by
Plantation Yacht Harbor. It's not what it used to be. The hotel and
restaurant were razed and the property was turned into a public (I think)
park. The marina is still there.

> Islamorada PO is at MM 83 but the Islamorada area includes Windley
> Key, Upper Matecombe, Lower Matecombe, Indian Key, Lignumvitae Key,
> and down to Long Key at MM 68.5, although Long Key has it's own PO.

Sounds right, but I'm pretty sure there's a few additional towns tucked into
that area.

> In the middle keys we have Key Colony Beach which is off to the side
> and has its own PO and Marathon Shores which also has a PO at MM52.5.

> But Marathon (MM50) area includes Conch Key, Grassy Key, Duck Key,
> Crawl Key, Fat Deer Key, Coco Plum, Stirrup Key, Pretty Joe Rock,
> Tingler Island, East and West Sister Rock, Palm Island, Vaca Key, Boot
> Key, Knight Key, Hog Key, and Pigeon Key. And I might have missed
> some.

It's a confusing area. Anybody might miss some.

Lee

Thanks for the replies, I appreciate the info!

<> Rick <>

"Diver Rick" <bumper308@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I will be visiting Key Largo overnight at the end of May.
> My son & I want to dive the Duane and the Spiegel Grove. We were thinking
of
> an afternoon 2x tank trip on one of the two, then another 2x tank trip the
> next morning on the other, before having to return to the Boynton Beach
> area. There are so many day trip operators in the area its very hard to
> figure out who to book with. I dove with "ItsAdive" about 10 years ago,
and
> was quite satisfied, but they seem to be a little overpriced, and I was
> interested in trying someone new. We will have all of our own equipment
> with us, including tanks etc.
>
> Any thoughts suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> "Tanks!"
>
> <> Rick <>
>
>