Calling all divers

We need your help. The oceans and their reefs belong to all of us.

When you have a free moment, please read this:
http://www.petitiononline.com/*lyngbya/petition.html


Short version: The petitioners want the State of Florida to respect,
and abide by, existing Federal Laws.

Even if you haven't dived here in Boynton Beach, you have probably
heard of it, or know people who have.

Even if you don't intend to dive here, we [divers] need to be active in
support of conservation and protection efforts for our reefs.

If not us, then who?

It doesn't cost anything except a few moments of your time.

In order to sign the petition, just go to the link at the top of the
petition, or go here:
http://www.petitiononline.com/*lyngb...tion-sign.html


If you want to know more about this issue, please visit
http://www.reef-rescue.org

thanks for your time,

boyntonDiver

Thus spake "BoyntonDiver" <BoyntonDiver@reef-rescue.org> :

>We need your help. The oceans and their reefs belong to all of us.
>
>When you have a free moment, please read this:
>http://www.petitiononline.com/*lyngbya/petition.html
>

The only problem is that online petitions aren't worth the paper
they're written on. Nobody really cares. Now, written petitions
signed by local voters usually get some attention. But anyone can
forge a couple of hunderd signatures on an online petition. Harder to
do convincingly on paper, although that happens, too.

--
dillon

Women should be obscene and not absurd.

I beg to differ. On all points

We have a signature campaign, but we can't very well get you to fly
down can we?

I don't know what you've been reading but online petitions at this
VERY SITE forced action from Microsoft and CNN. Why don't you take a
look and learn something? Evidently multi-billion dollar conglomerates
differ with your opinon as well.

The signatures can't be forged; at least not easily. All signature
email addresses are verified, and in the event of a challenge to
validity, petition online does statistical verification. Someone could
open a hundred online mail accounts, but that's just the kind of thing
the verification process detects. There isn't any benefit except self
destruction.

Nobody is forging anything, and I'll thank you to stop making such
accuasations. It's insulting and uncalled for. Honest people are trying
to get something done here. They do it on their own time and they do it
for free.

Written petition signatures can be easily forged too. It happens all
the time.

The key to online petitions is numbers, numbers, numbers.

Inaction, apathy, and ignorance never solved anything.

If you don't want to sign, that's fine. But please don't try and damage
the efforts of others with misinformation and disparaging remarks.

It takes 20 seconds. It costs you nothing.

"Dillon Pyron" wrote

>> Thus spake "BoyntonDiver" <BoyntonDiver@reef-rescue.org> :
>>We need your help. The oceans and their reefs belong to all of us.
>>When you have a free moment, please read this:
>>http://www.petitiononline.com/*lyngbya/petition.html

> The only problem is that online petitions aren't worth the paper
> they're written on. Nobody really cares. Now, written petitions
> signed by local voters usually get some attention. But anyone can
> forge a couple of hunderd signatures on an online petition. Harder to
> do convincingly on paper, although that happens, too.

So put something on paper and send it. On line, by mail or by phone, action
is better than inaction. For thost that chose to act, the link above did
not work for me, but this one did http://www.petitiononline.com/lyngbya/ .

Whether you chose to participate or not, I recommend reading the reference
materials. The information appears to be well supported, honest and
relevant. It's hard not to understand the problem and hard not to conclude
that it's serious and immediate. This appears to be a legitimate issue by
legitimate people and organizations. Since I was first advised of the
petition, I have confirmed some of the details through people that I
consider reliable. People we all know and trust are part of this project.
I'll leave it to them to decide if or when to reveal their involvement.

I can personally say that I've seen the red algae blooms first hand. It
really is bad and really is severely damaging one of the best reefs in
Florida. It's a crime against us all. While it will surely go unpunished,
it should not continue to go on.

Just to try to get group members to look further, one of the things I
confirmed through friends that have actually dove to the outfall site, is
the true location of the outfall versus where Delray says it is. The
outfall is on the eastern, seaward, edge of Gulfstream Reef, somewhere in
the 60 to 90 foot range. Prevailing currents carry the discharge directly
along the reef line. Delray, who owns the permit, says it is well clear of
the reef, about a mile and a half (statute versus nautical) further east and
about a third of a mile further north in more than 400 feet of water. It's
hard to believe those that installed the pipe failed to notice that the the
water was more than 300 feet shallower than where it was supposed to be.
Perhaps they thought the tide was out. Right. More likely, somebody put a
lot of public money in their pocket by deliberate deception.

I'm convinced the problem is real and that now is the time to do something
about it. I just signed the petition and am considering a financial
contrubution as well. If I can find time, when time is needed, I may become
more directly involved. Those that know me, know that I'm inclined to
become active for or against causes I think are important. I think this may
be one of the most important ones to come along in years. I encourage
others to follow the lead of those who are already involved.

Lee

Lee,

thanks for your support and thanks for the fixed link.

The text of the link I supplied is correct, but for reasons I don't yet
understand, the google post machine is inserting hyphens when
delivering it. I don't know whats going on there [yet].

Thanks again,

BoyntonDiver

Thus spake "BoyntonDiver" <BoyntonDiver@reef-rescue.org> :

>I beg to differ. On all points
>
>We have a signature campaign, but we can't very well get you to fly
>down can we?
>
>I don't know what you've been reading but online petitions at this
>VERY SITE forced action from Microsoft and CNN. Why don't you take a
>look and learn something? Evidently multi-billion dollar conglomerates
>differ with your opinon as well.
>
>The signatures can't be forged; at least not easily. All signature
>email addresses are verified, and in the event of a challenge to
>validity, petition online does statistical verification. Someone could
>open a hundred online mail accounts, but that's just the kind of thing
>the verification process detects. There isn't any benefit except self
>destruction.
>
>Nobody is forging anything, and I'll thank you to stop making such
>accuasations. It's insulting and uncalled for. Honest people are trying
>to get something done here. They do it on their own time and they do it
>for free.
>
>Written petition signatures can be easily forged too. It happens all
>the time.
>
>The key to online petitions is numbers, numbers, numbers.
>
>Inaction, apathy, and ignorance never solved anything.
>
>If you don't want to sign, that's fine. But please don't try and damage
>the efforts of others with misinformation and disparaging remarks.
>
>It takes 20 seconds. It costs you nothing.

You've convinced me. Actually, I didn't need any convincing about the
problem. But I will sign the petition.

--
dillon

Women should be obscene and not absurd.

With the moron number 2 (Jeb) as FL Governor there will be no
conservation effort of any kind. Only overpopulation and dc mobsters
spending their dirty money on overpriced mansions.

Keeping "drugs" illegal allows the corrupted GOP right wing hypocrits
to keep taking illiterate/dumb/blind/suckers Americans for a ride.



On 9 May 2005 15:03:44 -0700, "BoyntonDiver"
<BoyntonDiver@reef-rescue.org> wrote:

>We need your help. The oceans and their reefs belong to all of us.
>
>When you have a free moment, please read this:
>http://www.petitiononline.com/*lyngbya/petition.html
>
>
>Short version: The petitioners want the State of Florida to respect,
>and abide by, existing Federal Laws.
>
>Even if you haven't dived here in Boynton Beach, you have probably
>heard of it, or know people who have.
>
>Even if you don't intend to dive here, we [divers] need to be active in
>support of conservation and protection efforts for our reefs.
>
>If not us, then who?
>
>It doesn't cost anything except a few moments of your time.
>
>In order to sign the petition, just go to the link at the top of the
>petition, or go here:
>http://www.petitiononline.com/*lyngb...tion-sign.html
>
>
>If you want to know more about this issue, please visit
>http://www.reef-rescue.org
>
>thanks for your time,
>
>boyntonDiver