Is this justice or what?

On Thu, 12 May 2005 20:07:38 GMT, "Lee Bell"
<leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote:


>Us natives would prefer that all the people that moved here from someplace
>else, went back to where they came from. Then, even I could afford a house
>on the water.
>

>Lee
>

Ow, ouch! That hurts.


Rick Simms

Lee Bell wrote:
> "Jer" wrote
>
>
>>Okay, Brad, having home-grown aquariums sounds like a really spiffy idea,
>>but it still encourages the hobby by many who, in all likelihood, don't
>>have the time and other resources to stay 'green' with their results.
>>Assuming I wanted to give it a go, how would one get started with a
>>'green' home aquarium?
>
>
> You start by making a lot of money so you can afford a large enough aquarium
> and space and equipment to set it up and keep it running right and then
> commit yourself to the aquarium instead of to having a life.

Making lots of money was easy, having the time to enjoy the fruit is a
whole nuther kett^H^H^H^H tank of fish. I had fresh tanks in my former
life, 2 330's in one room and a custom 580 in another - Oscars took over
half the house. Food was purchased in gold fish lots of 1K every other
week - the food tank was a bare-bone leftover 55 gal. I am still soooo
glad I'm no longer 'in the business' of trying to figure out where the
latest leak is coming from. I've heard Disney's "Finding Nemo" has spun
growth in the aquaria trade - which seems odd because that's the exact
opposite of the entire point of the program. Nutz to Disney for the
lack of the education and nutz to the parents that didn't get it on
their own! Like most others around here, I now prefer to see things as
they should be - in their neighbourhood instead of mine.


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"Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
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> I've heard Disney's "Finding Nemo" has spun
> growth in the aquaria trade - which seems odd because that's the exact
> opposite of the entire point of the program. Nutz to Disney for the
> lack of the education and nutz to the parents that didn't get it on
> their own! Like most others around here, I now prefer to see things as
> they should be - in their neighbourhood instead of mine.

So you'd prefer that all the six-year-olds that loved Finding Nemo all march
down to their local PADI shop to sign up for classes?

Thus spake Matthias Voss <spammat.voss@gmx.de> :

>Greg Mossman wrote:
>
>> But you do have my vote for dumping it on the golf courses and you're
>> welcome to send some out to Palm Springs where the courses have become so
>> numerous they've altered the climate.

There are now hail sized golf balls raining down on the area.

>
>
>How that?
>Matthias

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dillon

Women should be obscene and not absurd.

"Dillon Pyron" <dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Thus spake Matthias Voss <spammat.voss@gmx.de> :
>
>>Greg Mossman wrote:
>>
>>> But you do have my vote for dumping it on the golf courses and you're
>>> welcome to send some out to Palm Springs where the courses have become
>>> so
>>> numerous they've altered the climate.
>
> There are now hail sized golf balls raining down on the area.

Fore!

> Oscars took over half the house.

No surprise there. Down here, they've taken over the rivers and lakes too.

Lee

Lee Bell wrote:
>>Oscars took over half the house.
>
>
> No surprise there. Down here, they've taken over the rivers and lakes too.
>
> Lee
>
>


Oh, so that's what happened to 'em.

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jer
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"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> >>>Us natives would prefer that all the people that moved here from
> >>>someplace
> >>>else, went back to where they came from. Then, even I could afford a
> >>>house on the water.
>
> >> Ow, ouch! That hurts.
>
> > Actually, we'd all probably be living on the water. It would be an
> > extended series of boats off the shores of Europe, Africa, and Asia.
The
> > American Indians would be living in Florida and we'd all be wondering
what
> > our ancestors were thinking setting sail for the edge of the world and
> > only managing to procreate a few feet from the shore line.
>
> Not all of us. Besides, it's not that bad. Those that were born here,
> didn't come here from someplace else.

Hardly anyone I know that lives where I live, was born here (not even me).
So I guess it's all the same everywhere.

(wow, come to think of it, I never lived where I was born)

> Hardly anyone I know that lives where I live, was born here (not even me).
> So I guess it's all the same everywhere.

Down here, damned near everybody comes from some foreign country, Cuba,
Haiti, Jamaica, the Bahamas, New York, New Jersey . . .

On Thu, 12 May 2005 06:29:30 -0500, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:

>Brad Isley wrote:
>> All you have to do is look at the email address to know that you're
>> wasting your words with this guy.
>>
>> Many reef tanks, like mine, are populated with home-grown corals and
>> fish. I supply corals and fish to local aquarists. This allows a
>> captive-bred supply to reduce the demand on natural collection. At
>> the rate idiots are using explosives to destroy reefs while catching
>> paltry fish harvests, the reef aquarium trade may one day be the sole
>> source of many varieties of corals and fish.
>>
>> You're quite welcome for being straightened out on this.
>>
>> Now wipe the spittle off your monitor.
>
>
>Okay, Brad, having home-grown aquariums sounds like a really spiffy
>idea, but it still encourages the hobby by many who, in all likelihood,
>don't have the time and other resources to stay 'green' with their
>results. Assuming I wanted to give it a go, how would one get started
>with a 'green' home aquarium?

Hey, thanks for asking. :)

Actually, I don't believe I've encouraged anyone to start an aquarium.
But, sure, it's possible.

Reef, fresh water, or salt water fish? I'll assume reef: It's
probably a good idea to keep a few fresh-water fish for a while before
tackling a reef aquarium. Read a lot before buying anything. Keeping
a reef tank healthy isn't a simple thing, but it's not overwhelmingly
complex. It is expensive. Try to automate as much as you can. Think
like an engineer. Simulate the failure of every piece of equipment to
see what the result is - then set it up so a failure doesn't cause a
catastrophe. Only after going through iterations of this should you
put any living thing in the tank. At the same time, keep things
simple. If you want to stay green, buy your fish from local breeders
and get coral frags from local hobbyists. Many reef keepers love to
trade frags. It is a way to share, save money, and prevent wild
collection simultaneously. There is a lot of good reef-keeping info
on www.reefcentral.com. The site isn't geared towards staying "green"
but the info is good. It's all about water quality, lighting, water
movement, live rock, and skimming. Get good test kits.


The most common mistakes are:

Adding livestock too soon or too rapidly.

Adding too many / too large / incompatible fish.

Starting with a tank that is too small - so it's hard to
stabilize.

Allowing an ammonia spike to occur - deadly in salt water because
the pH is so high.

Siphon from tank overflowing the sump when the return pump shuts
down - drill a small hole in the return line at the water level to
break the siphon.

Using tap water in a reef tank - don't do it. Get an RO/DI filter.

Topping off evaporation with salt water. Salt doesn't evaporate.

Not enough light.

Not enough water movement.

Letting jumpers go carpet surfing.

Watching Nemo and wanting a clown and tang in a ten-gallon tank?
What a disaster... Tangs need a lot of room. Find the tang
police on www.reefcentral.com I don't have/want a tang. My
tanks are too small.


Here's a good book to get started with:

<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1890087521/102-7584950-8056159?v=glance>

For aquacultured stock, there are plenty people breeding many
varieties of clownfish, orchid dottyback, some angels, shrimp, etc.
Once you get them growing and happy, most corals are very easy to
propogate. For many types, you just break or cut off a piece and glue
it to a rock.

www.garf.org has a lot of good info and aquacultured corals.

hope this is helpful.


I'm all for saving the reefs of the world. The main problem is simply
human overpopulation.