which diver are you ?

You Can't answer/or explain the blown hose situation. Therefore turns
to insults.

hehe

your make me laugh


On 20 Jul 2005 19:37:14 -0700, "Reef Fish"
<Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>Joe wrote:
>> You can't go by your bore hole theory.
>>
>> I am talking about blown hose, which would have no bore restrictions
>> you name.
>
>Really now?
>
>Why don't you tell us WHERE or FROM WHOM you learned THAT?
>
>Thought you were gone for good tugging your hose behind your tail.
>
>What happened to the earlier question I asked you???
>
>Why don't you tell us WHERE or FROM WHOM that you learned that a
>HP hose will drain a scuba tank much faster than a LP hose?
>
>-- Bob.
>
>
>> On 16 Jul 2005 19:14:13 -0700, "Reef Fish"
>> <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Joe wrote:
>> >> Reefer you never responded how you removed your brown stain from your
>> >> wetsuit.
>> >>
>> >> The other "stuff" about your theories about LP and HP behavior is as
>> >> full of sh*t as you are.
>> >>
>> >> I would NEVER get any advice here from any of you Bozo's.
>> >
>> >Joe, you are so REALLY blissfully ignant that you're getting to
>> >be more scary than funny!
>> >
>> >>
>> >> You crazy this newsgroup is for entertainment purposes only. No useful
>> >> information here about Scuba.
>> >>
>> >> You are wrong in both instances because you have never seen a hose
>> >> blow up underwater...it was obvious from you ignorant responses.
>> >
>> >I'll play along, Joe. I always give suckers like you plenty of
>> >rope to hang yourself.
>> >
>> >Why don't you tell us WHERE or FROM WHOM that you learned that a
>> >HP hose will drain a scuba tank much faster than a LP hose?
>> >
>> >-- da Feeesh.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 14 Jul 2005 19:04:45 -0700, "Reef Fish"
>> >> <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Joe wrote:
>> >> >> Mr Reefe''''''re
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If an HP blows you will run out of air a lot faster than a LP hose.
>> >> >
>> >> >LOL! I was right when I wrote,
>> >> >
>> >> >RF> Does Joe know what to do if a HP hose broke? If a LP hose
>> >> >RF> broke? Does he know the difference between a HP and LP hose?
>> >> >
>> >> >Yup Joe. The scuba baby sitter R 4 U!
>> >> >
>> >> >The correct answer is exactly the OPPOSITE of what you said.
>> >> >The HP hose has a much smaller bore and it takes almost 20
>> >> >minutes to exhaust a tank if it broke. That's why when my
>> >> >depth gauge blew out of my console on my Tobago liveaboard
>> >> >trip, I had plenty of time to descend to the bottom to fetch
>> >> >the blown out gauge before returning to the boat.
>> >> >
>> >> >If your LP hose broke, you had better hurry and get to the
>> >> >surface!
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you have enough air, you should be able to do a normal ascent
>> >> >> operating normally. But this is where the "buddy system" becomes
>> >> >> handy. If you believe in that system. Otherwise get a Spare Air.
>> >> >
>> >> >ROFLMAO!! Bad enough to need a buddy as a crutch. Spare DEATH?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Otherwise, then you could easily do a normal ascent with someone
>> >> >> else's octopus.
>> >> >
>> >> >Joe, this is no time to teach you how to scuba, or to anticipate
>> >> >problems and have ready-solutions if and when something goes wrong.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's all part of the education of a SELF-RELIANT diver, sometimes
>> >> >called a Solo Diver. If you HAVE to rely on your buddy, then
>> >> >you may be a liability to both.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I had a "buddy" blow a HP hose on a night dive in Bonaire. He paniced
>> >> >> and did a fast ascent. He later admitted he always had air on his
>> >> >> second stage.
>> >> >
>> >> >Your buddy was as ignorant as you were about the HP hose, wasn't it?
>> >> >Such a buddy team is what contributes to many double-fatalities
>> >> >in the annals of scuba fatalities, or mismanagement of accidents.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A tank with enough air...I think 1000 psi will give you the chance to
>> >> >> do a normal ascent if you do not "panic".
>> >> >
>> >> >Good for you. With which hose broken?
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I bet the reefer will panic and will get DCS, but that will be less
>> >> >> embarassing that his brown stain inside his wetsuit.
>> >> >
>> >> >Joe, you are FUNNY!
>> >> >
>> >> >I guess you never read my post in which I described one of the
>> >> >many skills that were NOT taught by any scuba agencies:
>> >> >
>> >> >RF> I can think of
>> >> >RF>only ONE occasion of having to a similar "advanced" skill, when
>> >> >nature
>> >> >RF>called for a sudden "number 2" during a dive in Cozumel, from a
>> >> >6-pak
>> >> >RF>boat without a head. I had NO prior practice in THAT lycra-suit
>> >> >RF>stripping in current "skill", so I did the more elementary version
>> >> >of
>> >> >RF>the free-floating manoeuvre on the ocean bottom, hidden behind a
>> >> >coral
>> >> >RF>head (no pun intended here), downcurrent from the group ...
>> >> >RF>Still a much more challenging manoeuvre than the free-floating doff-
>> >> >
>> >> >RF>and-don of a BC, which is a piece of cake.
>> >> >
>> >> >-- Bob.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 7 Jul 2005 18:42:54 -0700, "Reef Fish"
>> >> >> <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Dan Bracuk wrote:
>> >> >> >> Joe <Joe> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
>> >> >> >> :Besides if a hose is going to blow, this is the dive to have it
>> >> >> >> :happen.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> How would your hose know it was a checkout dive?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Joe probably meant he wouldn't know what to do if a hose broke
>> >> >> >during a dive.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Does Joe know what to do if a HP hose broke? If a LP hose
>> >> >> >broke? Does he know the difference between a HP and LP hose?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-- Bob.

This putz belongs in the hole with diverbug.

<Joe> wrote in message news:nmjvd1dams7skc9mc0cur36as0vu9og294@4ax.com...
> You Can't answer/or explain the blown hose situation. Therefore turns
> to insults.
>
> hehe
>
> your make me laugh
>
>
> On 20 Jul 2005 19:37:14 -0700, "Reef Fish"
> <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Joe wrote:
> >> You can't go by your bore hole theory.
> >>
> >> I am talking about blown hose, which would have no bore restrictions
> >> you name.
> >
> >Really now?
> >
> >Why don't you tell us WHERE or FROM WHOM you learned THAT?
> >
> >Thought you were gone for good tugging your hose behind your tail.
> >
> >What happened to the earlier question I asked you???
> >
> >Why don't you tell us WHERE or FROM WHOM that you learned that a
> >HP hose will drain a scuba tank much faster than a LP hose?
> >
> >-- Bob.
> >
> >
> >> On 16 Jul 2005 19:14:13 -0700, "Reef Fish"
> >> <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Joe wrote:
> >> >> Reefer you never responded how you removed your brown stain from
your
> >> >> wetsuit.
> >> >>
> >> >> The other "stuff" about your theories about LP and HP behavior is as
> >> >> full of sh*t as you are.
> >> >>
> >> >> I would NEVER get any advice here from any of you Bozo's.
> >> >
> >> >Joe, you are so REALLY blissfully ignant that you're getting to
> >> >be more scary than funny!
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> You crazy this newsgroup is for entertainment purposes only. No
useful
> >> >> information here about Scuba.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are wrong in both instances because you have never seen a hose
> >> >> blow up underwater...it was obvious from you ignorant responses.
> >> >
> >> >I'll play along, Joe. I always give suckers like you plenty of
> >> >rope to hang yourself.
> >> >
> >> >Why don't you tell us WHERE or FROM WHOM that you learned that a
> >> >HP hose will drain a scuba tank much faster than a LP hose?
> >> >
> >> >-- da Feeesh.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 14 Jul 2005 19:04:45 -0700, "Reef Fish"
> >> >> <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Joe wrote:
> >> >> >> Mr Reefe''''''re
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If an HP blows you will run out of air a lot faster than a LP
hose.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >LOL! I was right when I wrote,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >RF> Does Joe know what to do if a HP hose broke? If a LP hose
> >> >> >RF> broke? Does he know the difference between a HP and LP hose?

> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yup Joe. The scuba baby sitter R 4 U!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The correct answer is exactly the OPPOSITE of what you said.
> >> >> >The HP hose has a much smaller bore and it takes almost 20
> >> >> >minutes to exhaust a tank if it broke. That's why when my
> >> >> >depth gauge blew out of my console on my Tobago liveaboard
> >> >> >trip, I had plenty of time to descend to the bottom to fetch
> >> >> >the blown out gauge before returning to the boat.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If your LP hose broke, you had better hurry and get to the
> >> >> >surface!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If you have enough air, you should be able to do a normal ascent
> >> >> >> operating normally. But this is where the "buddy system" becomes
> >> >> >> handy. If you believe in that system. Otherwise get a Spare Air.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >ROFLMAO!! Bad enough to need a buddy as a crutch. Spare DEATH?

> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Otherwise, then you could easily do a normal ascent with someone
> >> >> >> else's octopus.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Joe, this is no time to teach you how to scuba, or to anticipate
> >> >> >problems and have ready-solutions if and when something goes wrong.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It's all part of the education of a SELF-RELIANT diver, sometimes
> >> >> >called a Solo Diver. If you HAVE to rely on your buddy, then
> >> >> >you may be a liability to both.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I had a "buddy" blow a HP hose on a night dive in Bonaire. He
paniced
> >> >> >> and did a fast ascent. He later admitted he always had air on his
> >> >> >> second stage.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Your buddy was as ignorant as you were about the HP hose, wasn't
it?
> >> >> >Such a buddy team is what contributes to many double-fatalities
> >> >> >in the annals of scuba fatalities, or mismanagement of accidents.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> A tank with enough air...I think 1000 psi will give you the
chance to
> >> >> >> do a normal ascent if you do not "panic".
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Good for you. With which hose broken?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I bet the reefer will panic and will get DCS, but that will be
less
> >> >> >> embarassing that his brown stain inside his wetsuit.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Joe, you are FUNNY!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I guess you never read my post in which I described one of the
> >> >> >many skills that were NOT taught by any scuba agencies:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >RF> I can think of
> >> >> >RF>only ONE occasion of having to a similar "advanced" skill, when
> >> >> >nature
> >> >> >RF>called for a sudden "number 2" during a dive in Cozumel, from a
> >> >> >6-pak
> >> >> >RF>boat without a head. I had NO prior practice in THAT
lycra-suit
> >> >> >RF>stripping in current "skill", so I did the more elementary
version
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >RF>the free-floating manoeuvre on the ocean bottom, hidden behind a
> >> >> >coral
> >> >> >RF>head (no pun intended here), downcurrent from the group ...

> >> >> >RF>Still a much more challenging manoeuvre than the free-floating
doff-
> >> >> >
> >> >> >RF>and-don of a BC, which is a piece of cake.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-- Bob.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 7 Jul 2005 18:42:54 -0700, "Reef Fish"
> >> >> >> <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Dan Bracuk wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Joe <Joe> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
> >> >> >> >> :Besides if a hose is going to blow, this is the dive to have
it
> >> >> >> >> :happen.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> How would your hose know it was a checkout dive?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Joe probably meant he wouldn't know what to do if a hose broke
> >> >> >> >during a dive.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Does Joe know what to do if a HP hose broke? If a LP hose
> >> >> >> >broke? Does he know the difference between a HP and LP hose?

> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >-- Bob.
>

<Joe> wrote

> You Can't answer/or explain the blown hose situation. Therefore turns
> to insults.

Just because he's insulting doesn't mean that he's not right.

Lee

Lee Bell wrote:
> <Joe> wrote
>
> > You Can't answer/or explain the blown hose situation. Therefore turns
> > to insults.
>
> Just because he's insulting doesn't mean that he's not right.
>
> Lee

No truer word comes from the rec.scuba Ostrich, who brags that
he had me killfiled -- because I was RIGHT every time DING-DONG
and I had ANY argument about ANYTHING scuba related, and sooner
or later during the argument, I would start INSULTING Lee when
he only obfuscates and mouth dances -- just like you, Joe!

It's ALL in the archives -- Lee couldn't find a SINGLE solitary
subject in which he was right, and I was wrong in our arguments.

The most RECENT one he thought he was right took place in 2001,
and Lee THOUGHT he won the debate. He had to dig REALLY DEEP
in his Ostrich Hole to pull that one out of his arse.

I BURIED him with FACTS:

http://tinyurl.com/aq6g2

That's why Lee is reading my posts only SECOND hand, through Putz
like you, Joe.

Joe, you are such a PUTZ (good choice of word by chilly) that you
are flamed by the old timers of rec.scuba (in fact, members of the
Dysfunctional Gang --which I hope they have outgrown <BG>, who
usually tried to find every miniscule excuse to flame ME! ROTFLMAO.

-- Bob.

Lee Bell wrote:
> <Joe> wrote

>
> You're showing your ignorance.

No, he's showing serious stupidity. He's read explanations of how it works, so if
he's still ignorant it's because he's box of rocks stupid.

--
Steve

The above can be construed as personal opinion in the absence of a reasonable
belief that it was intended as a statement of fact.

If you want a reply to reach me, remove the SPAMTRAP from the address.

Thus spake "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> :

><Joe> wrote
>
>> You can't go by your bore hole theory.
>>
>> I am talking about blown hose, which would have no bore restrictions
>> you name.
>
>You're showing your ignorance. Pay attention and you may do better. Take
>your high pressure hose off, turn the end that goes into the regulator
>towards you and look at the pinhole size of the opening. Now do the the
>same with your low pressure hose. You find that the opening in the high
>pressure connection is much, much smaller than the one in the low pressure
>hose.
>
>The fact is, the high pressure hose is deliberately designed to allow a very
>small flow. Not much is needed to operate a pressure gauge. The low
>pressure hose is designed for low restriction and a high flow. A lot of gas
>may be required to keep you breathing at depth.
>
>The pressure in the low pressure side of things is only low because of a
>valve in the first stage that is designed to maintain an approximate
>intermediate pressure. When the pressue in the hose is less than the preset
>value, as it is when you breathe in or when the hose or connection fails,
>that valve flows gas like crazy in order to restore the design pressure.
>With a blow low pressure hose, it will continue to flow like crazy until
>there is no longer sufficient pressure for it to flow more, ie, the tank is
>empty.
>
>Lee
>

Personal experience. A few years ago we were in Kona when Carol's
octo blew. She said she looked down at her gauge and saw the needle
move when she inhaled, and never come quite back to the same mark.
Air was coming out VERY quickly. Some where I've got an old HP hose
with a SPG attached. If I can find it I'll take an axe to the thing.

--
dillon
Linux, it's not just an OS, it's a way
of life.

And a damn fine one, at that.

Nice troll, Joe. Hope the buddies who put you up to it offered you a
good quality case of beer.


FWIW, I hope that you found the _Undercurrent_ article that I posted
earlier to be useful and contain a sufficient pragmatic explanation.
If you need more scientific detail, the question is a straightforward
exercise which can be researched via most good contemporary
undergraduate engineering textbooks on the subject of gas dynamics that
cover choked flow through a nozzle.


-hh

"When the blind squirrel does finally find a nut, don't begrudge him
his brief moment of glory"

captkeywest wrote:
> Diver A politely informs the young instructor that he is already
> certified and does not need a checkout dive.

I'm Diver A who's still had to waste 50 bar of precious dive gas on
occasion waiting while the organisers piss about making sure that people
with 50+ dives can clear their masks and buddy breathe - which has
nothing to do with good bouyancy control anyway.

I've yet to see one of the dive operations that requires these checks
also provide equipment that you can tuck away neatly (eg. cable ties on
the hoses) so they don't dangle on the reefs.

"BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
news:42e6187a$0$11064$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> captkeywest wrote:
>> Diver A politely informs the young instructor that he is already
>> certified and does not need a checkout dive.
>
> I'm Diver A who's still had to waste 50 bar of precious dive gas on
> occasion waiting while the organisers piss about making sure that people
> with 50+ dives can clear their masks and buddy breathe - which has nothing
> to do with good bouyancy control anyway.
>
> I've yet to see one of the dive operations that requires these checks also
> provide equipment that you can tuck away neatly (eg. cable ties on the
> hoses) so they don't dangle on the reefs.

Good point. It's been a long time since I last used rental equipment, but I
don't recall ever having a problem arranging things so that everything was
secure. On occasion, I have had to buy a couple of hose clips to do it.

Lee