which diver are you ?

"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:A better question is what does a PADI (or NAUI or whatever) graduate
:do when they encounter situations for which they were NOT trained?
:
:THAT's what a certified diver is SUPPOSED to have the presence of
:mind and skill to handle, without having been specifically trained
:for it.

Personally, I think this has very little to do with dive training and
very much to do with how well you solve problems/handle stress/deal
with adversity/think on your feet/etc in general.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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Dan Bracuk wrote:
> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his
> keyboard resulting in:
> :A better question is what does a PADI (or NAUI or whatever) graduate
> :do when they encounter situations for which they were NOT trained?
> :
> :THAT's what a certified diver is SUPPOSED to have the presence of
> :mind and skill to handle, without having been specifically trained
> :for it.
>
> Personally, I think this has very little to do with dive training and
> very much to do with how well you solve problems/handle stress/deal
> with adversity/think on your feet/etc in general.

Nope! In OW-I you are supposed to be trained to, when you encounter
a problem UW, NOT TO PANIC, but to take these steps, in the order
(1) Stop, (2) Breathe (try to relax), (3) THINK, before you
(4) ACT.

Didn't they train Canadian divers to do that? You think you were
born to act that way?

-- Bob.

Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Thus spake "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> :
>
> >
> >
> >Dan Bracuk wrote:
> >> "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> >> in:
> >> :Well, you might have a point. Come to think of it, most PADI students
> >> :haven't cleared their mask in any position except on their knees.
> >>
> >> We are talking about PADI graduates, not students.
> >
> >A better question is what does a PADI (or NAUI or whatever) graduate
> >do when they encounter situations for which they were NOT trained?
> >
> >THAT's what a certified diver is SUPPOSED to have the presence of
> >mind and skill to handle, without having been specifically trained
> >for it.
> >
> >I recall diving on the Cayman Aggressor when my mask strap broke,
> >during the early part of a dive, far from the boat. I went to the
> >sandy bottom, and tried to repair it, to no avail. So I just
> >finished the rest of the dive as I normally would, except holding
> >the mask (without a strap) in place on my face with one hand.
> >A couple of divers must have noticed my predicament and told
> >Captain Bill Spenser about it, because when I got back to the
> >boat quite a while later, Bill was watching intently from the
> >platform, and we exchanged a knowing smile when I handed to him
> >my strapless mask on my way up the ladder.
>
> You twit, you pull your spare mask out of the auxilliary BC.

Why do you NEED an auxiliary mask? I have many redundent
equipment when I dive, but a second mask is NOT one of them.
Nor is a buddy, though I often have my wife as my Same Ocean
Buddy. :)

-- Bob.
>
> >
> >
> >Another incident of a different kind required a bit more diving
> >skills, and buoyancy control. I took my BC off 80 fsw inside the
> >Belize Blue Hole, to re-strap my tank which was slipping off,
> >while in neutral buoyancy during the slow ascent, and put the
> >BCD back on, without missing a beat in the ascent.
>
> I did that quite frequently when my BC was new.
>
> >
> >In that case, as a self-reliant diver, I had already anticipated
> >what I would do it that happened, and knew I could do it easily
> >on a sandy bottom. Doing it during ascent, in neutral buoyancy,
> >was the only thing new.
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/8727k
> >
> >
> >A third (sic for turd) related incident was completely unexpected
> >and required the utmost UW sportsmanship and skills. See:
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/eyx5o
> >
> >
> >There are many many incidents I've encountered during my rec
> >dives, mostly minior equipment failures, such as blown hoses,
> >depth gauze blown out of the console, stuck inflator hose, etc.,
> >etc., for which there was never any TRAINING for it during
> >any basic OR advanced diving courses in Scuba.
> >
> >As a certified (self-reliant) diver, you just COPE with it,
> >with the Stop Breathe Think Act (SBTA) lesson in OW-I, and
> >the Seveb A (Ancicipate, Assess, Act, etc.) lesson in a
> >Rescue Diver course, a diver should be ready to handle
> >ALMOST anything unexpected UW, and not panic for a buddy's
> >help or the help of anybuddy else.
> >
> >That's what a CERTIFIED scuba diver should do.
> >
> >-- Bob.
>
> --
> dillon
> Linux, it's not just an OS, it's a way
> of life.
>
> And a damn fine one, at that.

"Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
news:11comfssu7q55ae@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Actually, I've only been asked to dance my mask clearing skill once - in
> Jamaica of all places. Odd that this request came only after leaving
> the surface, so it wasn't an imposition, per se, so I danced and exited
> stage right toward a wreck.

If you had left the surface, how did they ask you to do the little mask
clearing dance? Did they pass you a note underwater?

> It was later I learned they weren't ready
> for our little entourage to go anywhere but back to the surface, so you
> could say I spooked a dive when they weren't looking. :)

Are you saying they anticipated that you couldn't dance?

>
> Are we going to apply the same standard to dive operators? Do we get
> to check out their knowledge of dive sites, there ability to handle
> the boat properly, or their ability to avoid anchor, chain and line
> damage to the reefs?
>
> Lee
>
>
>

Its funny you should say that. In all my years of running boats, and
submarines no paying passenger EVER asked to see my credentials. Also I
don't recall any diver ever asking to see my C-Cards before I started
teaching their classes.

Of course holding a Captains' license and/or a scuba instructor card does
not equate to competence.

--
Jim Wyatt
IANTD Cave Instructor
www.cavediveflorida.com

"Jim Wyatt" wrote

> Its funny you should say that. In all my years of running boats, and
> submarines no paying passenger EVER asked to see my credentials. Also I
> don't recall any diver ever asking to see my C-Cards before I started
> teaching their classes.
>
> Of course holding a Captains' license and/or a scuba instructor card does
> not equate to competence.

Unfortunately true; however, they, and the entry level certification card
are all supposed to do just that.

Lee

chilly wrote:
> "Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
> news:11comfssu7q55ae@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Actually, I've only been asked to dance my mask clearing skill once - in
>>Jamaica of all places. Odd that this request came only after leaving
>>the surface, so it wasn't an imposition, per se, so I danced and exited
>>stage right toward a wreck.
>
>
> If you had left the surface, how did they ask you to do the little mask
> clearing dance? Did they pass you a note underwater?

Sorta, it's called pantomine.

>
>
>>It was later I learned they weren't ready
>>for our little entourage to go anywhere but back to the surface, so you
>>could say I spooked a dive when they weren't looking. :)
>
>
> Are you saying they anticipated that you couldn't dance?

I didn't take it personally, I think they anticipate this aspect of
everyone. I thought it good that they were actually trying to protect a
reef that clearly had seen better days. The wreck was fresh with it's
anchor still imbedded in the reef - it looked like the boat had been
pulled apart while it was parked - which I considered a fitting end.


--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

In article <9%7ze.5788$aY6.4005@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink. net>, Lee
Bell <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote:

€ "Jim Wyatt" wrote
€
€ > Its funny you should say that. In all my years of running boats, and
€ > submarines no paying passenger EVER asked to see my credentials. Also I
€ > don't recall any diver ever asking to see my C-Cards before I started
€ > teaching their classes.
€ >
€ > Of course holding a Captains' license and/or a scuba instructor card does
€ > not equate to competence.
€
€ Unfortunately true; however, they, and the entry level certification card
€ are all supposed to do just that.
€


Although I'd put a little more credence in a Captian's license than an
OW card. The bar is set a little higher, and it takes a bit more work.

"Alan Street" wrote

> Although I'd put a little more credence in a Captian's license than an
> OW card. The bar is set a little higher, and it takes a bit more work.

I would too, and I agree that it normally requires more work. Then again, I
know at least one licensed captain that, to the best of my knowledge, has
never actually operated a boat.

Lee

"Jim Wyatt" <Jim@nospam-cavediveflorida.com> wrote in message
news:Xns968C433C2CB7FJimreefdiverscom@63.223.7.253 ...
>
In all my years of running boats, and
> submarines no paying passenger EVER asked to see my credentials. Also I
> don't recall any diver ever asking to see my C-Cards before I started
> teaching their classes.
>

Passengers don't have to ask about our credentials, according to the CFR's
we are supposed to have our captains' licenses posted under glass on our
vessels. However, you are quite right about the customers never asking for
our credentials. In thirty years of teaching, no student has ever asked me
either for an instructor's card.

Happy diving,
Cpt. Dale