Trip Report: Kauai

"Greg Mossman" wrote in message news:11lsu1l604k88b5@corp.supernews.com...
> Hawaii is a 5-hour hop, the same distance as the hurricane-battered
Atlantic
> and Caribbean. I'd rather take my chances in Hawaii.

Awh, 'ell, I figured that Coz this last week would have been 'bout your
luck...

> By day three, the wind had picked the seas up
> enough so that we were forced to repeat a previous
> day's site due to its sheltered location, 20-30 kph
> with 3-5' seas.

"kph"? kilometers per hour? Whatcha doin', going metric on us? Hell, I
though Hawaii was supposed to be part of the US...

> The Mastercard bill will be punishing, as Hawaii ain't exactly the
cheapest
> place to dive

What do 2-tank dives go for over there?

"Grumman-581" <grumman(five)(eight)(one)@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:z_u7f.26863$GQ.12622@tornado.texas.rr.com...

> Awh, 'ell, I figured that Coz this last week would have been 'bout your
> luck...

I maybe unlucky, but I ain't stupid. Kauai was hit hard by Iwa in Nov '82
and Iniki in Sep '92, so it is overdue for something bad in October and I
was prepared to suffer. But suffering in Hawaii isn't nearly as bad as
suffering in third-world Cozumel, or even third-world Florida, so I decided
I'd rather take my chances there.

> "kph"? kilometers per hour? Whatcha doin', going metric on us? Hell, I
> though Hawaii was supposed to be part of the US...

I thought a knothead like you would understand knots.

>> The Mastercard bill will be punishing, as Hawaii ain't exactly the
> cheapest
>> place to dive
>
> What do 2-tank dives go for over there?

Bubbles charges $110, and they gave us a 20% discount on subsequent days, so
it's not as bad as Maui where Ed Robinson commands $120 and only gives a 10%
discount for three diving days. Nitrox was an additional $12 per tank, so
we only did one nitrox dive a day to compromise safety with the pocketbook.
Depths were such that nitrox wasn't necessary even with 55-minute bottom
times, but I believe it makes a difference on how one feels after the dives,
especially since we had to meet at the boat at 7:15 a.m., it was a 20-minute
drive from the hotel, and I was drinking all sorts of mai-tais, beer, and
wine until late each evening.

But it's not only the diving that costs. Hawaii accomodations are
expensive. The Sheraton was $235 a night for garden view, though that was
an offseason hotel/car package that included an SUV and being off-season, I
had no problem being upgraded with my Starwood frequent-stay status. Food
is pricey. Drinks are pricey. Gas for the guzzling SUV was pricey ($3.15 a
gallon for the cheapest stuff). Airfare wasn't too bad considering the
distance, though. All in all, I'd guess that a Mexico dive vacation with
equivalent-class room and board would run about 40% less and Mexico offers
plenty more options to do it much cheaper than that, i.e. I'd rather eat
cheap tacos than a cheap Hawaiian plate lunch. I hate spam.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:37:37 -0700, "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com>
wrote:

>"Grumman-581" <grumman(five)(eight)(one)@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:z_u7f.26863$GQ.12622@tornado.texas.rr.com. ..

>..
>> "kph"? kilometers per hour? Whatcha doin', going metric on us? Hell, I
>> though Hawaii was supposed to be part of the US...
>
>I thought a knothead like you would understand knots.
>...

Isn't "knots" in reference to "nautical miles per hour" usually
abbreviated as kn or kt? Anyway, a reference to knots per hour would be
sort of like saying rpm per minute. Strictly speaking, a "knot" is a unit
of speed, a nautical mile is the measure of distance. I don't think I've
ever seen knots as "kph."

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA ghekhuis@earthlink.net
Hell hath no fury like a bird in the hand.

"Galen Hekhuis" <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:7o2tl1diqqo5b53lcf3cck5injgugnjinf@4ax.com...

> Isn't "knots" in reference to "nautical miles per hour" usually
> abbreviated as kn or kt? Anyway, a reference to knots per hour would be
> sort of like saying rpm per minute. Strictly speaking, a "knot" is a unit
> of speed, a nautical mile is the measure of distance. I don't think I've
> ever seen knots as "kph."

That's twice I've had my hat handed to me in the space of a few hours, a new
world's record. Thanks Galen. First kelp and now knots. Heck, I almost
unknowingly typed know for now just then. I shall stay away from words
starting with K today and start on a third cup of coffee to shake off this
jet lag cum hangover.

"Greg Mossman" wrote in message news:11lt2ca2jgptg55@corp.supernews.com...
> I thought a knothead like you would understand knots.

Knots is already a velocity... If the 'k' in 'kph' stood for knots, then you
would be using a measurement for accelleration, not velocity... It would
mean, "nautical miles per hour per hour"... I suspect you must have meant
just plain 'knots' or 'nm/hr'... Of course, 'nm/hr' would normally mean
'nanometers per hour' which would make it a calm wind that you had been
describing...

> Bubbles charges $110, and they gave us a 20% discount on subsequent days,
so
> it's not as bad as Maui where Ed Robinson commands $120 and only gives a
10%
> discount for three diving days.

So, about twice what Coz charges and you didn't even get to meet Wilma...
Doesn't sound all that enchanting...

> But it's not only the diving that costs. Hawaii accomodations are
> expensive. The Sheraton was $235 a night for garden view, though that was
> an offseason hotel/car package that included an SUV and being off-season,
I
> had no problem being upgraded with my Starwood frequent-stay status. Food
> is pricey. Drinks are pricey. Gas for the guzzling SUV was pricey ($3.15
a
> gallon for the cheapest stuff). Airfare wasn't too bad considering the
> distance, though. All in all, I'd guess that a Mexico dive vacation with
> equivalent-class room and board would run about 40% less and Mexico offers
> plenty more options to do it much cheaper than that, i.e. I'd rather eat
> cheap tacos than a cheap Hawaiian plate lunch. I hate spam.

Sound like cheap airfare to get you there and then they start making the
*real* money off of you... For some reason, it kind of sounds like the scam
they have with the ink jet printers...

"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5fx7f.28115$GQ.3376@tornado.texas.rr.com...

<snip>

Go ahead and explain why they are called knots in the first place.

Has less than nothing to do with nuatical miles.

"Scott" wrote in message news:0eedndGZx5btOsPeRVn-uA@wavecable.com...
> Go ahead and explain why they are called knots in the first place.
>
> Has less than nothing to do with nuatical miles.

From a historical perspective, it's an interesting coincidence...

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...ry/q0139.shtml

These days, it's defined that way...

"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:sJy7f.28132$GQ.754@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> "Scott" wrote in message news:0eedndGZx5btOsPeRVn-uA@wavecable.com...
> > Go ahead and explain why they are called knots in the first place.
> >
> > Has less than nothing to do with nuatical miles.
>
> From a historical perspective, it's an interesting coincidence...
>
> http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...ry/q0139.shtml
>
> These days, it's defined that way...

In them days the navigator just hoped the knot counter hadnt had his issue
of grog yet...

Scott wrote:
> "Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sJy7f.28132$GQ.754@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > "Scott" wrote in message news:0eedndGZx5btOsPeRVn-uA@wavecable.com...
> > > Go ahead and explain why they are called knots in the first place.
> > >
> > > Has less than nothing to do with nuatical miles.
> >
> > From a historical perspective, it's an interesting coincidence...
> >
> > http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...ry/q0139.shtml
> >
> > These days, it's defined that way...
>
> In them days the navigator just hoped the knot counter hadnt had his issue
> of grog yet...
>
Wrong. In those days you had the knot counter flogged if he didn't do
his job. Ahhh, the good old days...

Geo

"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
news:70393$435fc85d$18d64cf6$28269@KNOLOGY.NET...

> > Well, you're in luck. I'm just so D@MN happy about these pending
> > indictments that I'm not going to ride your hypocrite @ss today.

You really need to read Loius Freeh's book.

> Not that you'll see this, since I'm in our killfile & all, but I'm just
> tickled that you now realize that obstruction of justice and perjury are
> serious offenses.
> You seemd to have such a different opinion in 2000.
>
> Only two more days to get the indictments though.

Forget all that "innocent until proven guilty" shit the left likes to act
like they alone persue.

Indicted doesnt mean a thing.