PADI Training vs.. others

Lee Bell wrote:
> "Matthias Voss" wrote
>
>
>>Assimilating an approach to accident prevention from civil engineering/
>>traffic accident research (which I had done several years ago):
>
>
>>You observe near accident events, try to classify the causes, and relate
>>them statistically to accidents really happening. Works.
>
>
> Sure does, but not if you start with the assumption that, because there's no
> accident report, there is no danger.

That is the difference between a denial culture and an open
to discussion one.

Matthias

Lee Bell wrote:
> "Matthias Voss" wrote
>
>
>>Assimilating an approach to accident prevention from civil engineering/
>>traffic accident research (which I had done several years ago):
>
>
>>You observe near accident events, try to classify the causes, and relate
>>them statistically to accidents really happening. Works.
>
>
> Sure does, but not if you start with the assumption that, because there's no
> accident report, there is no danger.

That is the difference between a denial culture and an open
to discussion one.

Matthias

In article <QGPPf.13228$4%1.5698@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>,
Steve <SPAMTRAPglawackus@hvc.rr.com> writes:
...
> The problem is that many minor incidents are only a little bit of luck
> away from being serious incidents. ...

How is this a "problem"? If it is true (I agree that it probably is)
then it shows that the current level of training produces divers with
the skills and knowledge to prevent a minor incident from becoming
serious. That is a good thing.


--
Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA
(hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)
All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.

In article <QGPPf.13228$4%1.5698@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>,
Steve <SPAMTRAPglawackus@hvc.rr.com> writes:
...
> The problem is that many minor incidents are only a little bit of luck
> away from being serious incidents. ...

How is this a "problem"? If it is true (I agree that it probably is)
then it shows that the current level of training produces divers with
the skills and knowledge to prevent a minor incident from becoming
serious. That is a good thing.


--
Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA
(hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)
All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.

"Matthias Voss" <spammat.voss@gmx.de> wrote in message
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> Lee Bell wrote:
>> "Matthias Voss" wrote
>>
>>
>>>Assimilating an approach to accident prevention from civil engineering/
>>>traffic accident research (which I had done several years ago):
>>
>>
>>>You observe near accident events, try to classify the causes, and relate
>>>them statistically to accidents really happening. Works.
>>
>>
>> Sure does, but not if you start with the assumption that, because there's
>> no accident report, there is no danger.
>
> That is the difference between a denial culture and an open to discussion
> one.

Which do you perceive the dive industry to be?

Lee

"Matthias Voss" <spammat.voss@gmx.de> wrote in message
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> Lee Bell wrote:
>> "Matthias Voss" wrote
>>
>>
>>>Assimilating an approach to accident prevention from civil engineering/
>>>traffic accident research (which I had done several years ago):
>>
>>
>>>You observe near accident events, try to classify the causes, and relate
>>>them statistically to accidents really happening. Works.
>>
>>
>> Sure does, but not if you start with the assumption that, because there's
>> no accident report, there is no danger.
>
> That is the difference between a denial culture and an open to discussion
> one.

Which do you perceive the dive industry to be?

Lee

"Charlie Hammond" wrote

> How is this a "problem"? If it is true (I agree that it probably is)
> then it shows that the current level of training produces divers with
> the skills and knowledge to prevent a minor incident from becoming
> serious. That is a good thing.

That's a bit like saying that it's no problem if my computer crashes twice a
day because, so far, it's only happened just after I backed up my data.

Lee

"Charlie Hammond" wrote

> How is this a "problem"? If it is true (I agree that it probably is)
> then it shows that the current level of training produces divers with
> the skills and knowledge to prevent a minor incident from becoming
> serious. That is a good thing.

That's a bit like saying that it's no problem if my computer crashes twice a
day because, so far, it's only happened just after I backed up my data.

Lee

Charlie Hammond wrote:

> In article <QGPPf.13228$4%1.5698@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>,
> Steve <SPAMTRAPglawackus@hvc.rr.com> writes:
> ..
>
>>The problem is that many minor incidents are only a little bit of luck
>>away from being serious incidents. ...
>
>
> How is this a "problem"? If it is true (I agree that it probably is)
> then it shows that the current level of training produces divers with
> the skills and knowledge to prevent a minor incident from becoming
> serious. That is a good thing.

It is entertaining, at least.
Sometimes frightening.
Always reassuring.
Reassuring that I still lack the fantasy of imagining how
dumb people really can be.
Matthias

Charlie Hammond wrote:

> In article <QGPPf.13228$4%1.5698@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>,
> Steve <SPAMTRAPglawackus@hvc.rr.com> writes:
> ..
>
>>The problem is that many minor incidents are only a little bit of luck
>>away from being serious incidents. ...
>
>
> How is this a "problem"? If it is true (I agree that it probably is)
> then it shows that the current level of training produces divers with
> the skills and knowledge to prevent a minor incident from becoming
> serious. That is a good thing.

It is entertaining, at least.
Sometimes frightening.
Always reassuring.
Reassuring that I still lack the fantasy of imagining how
dumb people really can be.
Matthias