PADI Training vs.. others

"Gumby" <gumby@flexiblepeople.net> wrote in message
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> sytech@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I can really see now that PADI wants to virtually assure that you pass
>> the course. As a result as I continue my training I will do all that
>> I can to avoid PADI.

> I was always told that NAUI is more comprehensive than PADI. My OW I is
> NAUI but my advanced is PADI. It's like flying an airplane, a
> certification should be viewed as a license to learn, not a "your an
> expert, have at it" doc.

Like flying, there's something in between. Personally, I don't want you
flying around over my head with a license to learn to fly safely. I prefer
that you be certified to do so before you're turned loose above me. I feel
the same, but for different reasons, about an entry level diving
certification. In both cases, experience and study will make you better.

Lee

"Gumby" <gumby@flexiblepeople.net> wrote in message
news:77nPf.48$ac1.44@fe08.lga...
> sytech@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I can really see now that PADI wants to virtually assure that you pass
>> the course. As a result as I continue my training I will do all that
>> I can to avoid PADI.

> I was always told that NAUI is more comprehensive than PADI. My OW I is
> NAUI but my advanced is PADI. It's like flying an airplane, a
> certification should be viewed as a license to learn, not a "your an
> expert, have at it" doc.

Like flying, there's something in between. Personally, I don't want you
flying around over my head with a license to learn to fly safely. I prefer
that you be certified to do so before you're turned loose above me. I feel
the same, but for different reasons, about an entry level diving
certification. In both cases, experience and study will make you better.

Lee

"Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:In other words, it's a quick and certain way to put a card in the hands of a
:diver. That's a useful tool for you. It's a problem for the recreational
:diving industry.

And what problem woudl that be?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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"Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:In other words, it's a quick and certain way to put a card in the hands of a
:diver. That's a useful tool for you. It's a problem for the recreational
:diving industry.

And what problem woudl that be?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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"Dan Bracuk" wrote

> :In other words, it's a quick and certain way to put a card in the hands
> of a
> :diver. That's a useful tool for you. It's a problem for the
> recreational
> :diving industry.

> And what problem would that be?

In his case, where there's planned follow up for a program only intended to
provide the card required to proceed, there's no problem.

When there is no assurance that there will be further training, just getting
a card that says you're certified is not enough to ensure you are safe. You
and I both know that there are plenty of divers around whose cards say they
are qualified to dive independently, who are not.

I have, and have always had, a problem with any agency that puts sales above
safety and, in my opinion, PADI corporate has done just that. YMMV.

Lee

"Dan Bracuk" wrote

> :In other words, it's a quick and certain way to put a card in the hands
> of a
> :diver. That's a useful tool for you. It's a problem for the
> recreational
> :diving industry.

> And what problem would that be?

In his case, where there's planned follow up for a program only intended to
provide the card required to proceed, there's no problem.

When there is no assurance that there will be further training, just getting
a card that says you're certified is not enough to ensure you are safe. You
and I both know that there are plenty of divers around whose cards say they
are qualified to dive independently, who are not.

I have, and have always had, a problem with any agency that puts sales above
safety and, in my opinion, PADI corporate has done just that. YMMV.

Lee

In article <aNsPf.2794$s8.1798@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> writes:

>"Dan Bracuk" wrote
>
[Lee wrote:]
>> :In other words, it's a quick and certain way to put a card in the hands of a
>> :diver. That's a useful tool for you. It's a problem for the recreational
>> :diving industry.
>
>> And what problem would that be?
...
>... You and I both know that there are plenty of divers around whose cards
> say they are qualified to dive independently, who are not.

Perhaps we do know that -- but we also know that there are relatively few
recreational diving accidents. How do we reconcile the "facts" that here
are plenty of unqualified divers but so few accidents?

My own conclusion is that no matter how unqualified we think many divers
may be, PADI et al. _ARE_ producing safe divers.

--
Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA
(hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)
All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.

In article <aNsPf.2794$s8.1798@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> writes:

>"Dan Bracuk" wrote
>
[Lee wrote:]
>> :In other words, it's a quick and certain way to put a card in the hands of a
>> :diver. That's a useful tool for you. It's a problem for the recreational
>> :diving industry.
>
>> And what problem would that be?
...
>... You and I both know that there are plenty of divers around whose cards
> say they are qualified to dive independently, who are not.

Perhaps we do know that -- but we also know that there are relatively few
recreational diving accidents. How do we reconcile the "facts" that here
are plenty of unqualified divers but so few accidents?

My own conclusion is that no matter how unqualified we think many divers
may be, PADI et al. _ARE_ producing safe divers.

--
Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA
(hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)
All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.

"Charlie Hammond" wrote

>>... You and I both know that there are plenty of divers around whose cards
>> say they are qualified to dive independently, who are not.

> Perhaps we do know that -- but we also know that there are relatively few
> recreational diving accidents.

No, you don't. You know that there are relatively few diving accidents
reported and tracked. There's a huge difference.

Lee

"Charlie Hammond" wrote

>>... You and I both know that there are plenty of divers around whose cards
>> say they are qualified to dive independently, who are not.

> Perhaps we do know that -- but we also know that there are relatively few
> recreational diving accidents.

No, you don't. You know that there are relatively few diving accidents
reported and tracked. There's a huge difference.

Lee