PADI Training vs.. others

But as a diver, not a student, there's a different perspective. If you
avoid PADI, who do you dive with? Now you're not taking classes, but in
those parts of the world where you dive with a group led by a dive
master, what do you know about the DM? Might be very good, might be a
tour guide. At least with PADI you have someone with a certain level of
training. Part of being a PADI dive center is that you hire only PADi
certified staff, so you've got someone who made it thorugh DM.

As for guaranteeing you make it through, I saw a couple of divers wash
out in my PADI OW class and one in my rescue diver.



sytech@yahoo.com wrote:
> In article
>
> I appreciate all the replies to my original posting here.
>
> We can quibble all we want and I realize that there are good divers of
> all schools, but when I originally got my feet wet I heard lots of
> people critical of PADI ("pay and dive instantly"). To reiterate my
> original point, the questions in the PADI Advanced Open Water manual
> were so moronic that it is my opinion that PADI wants to make it a
> virtual certainty that you pass the written test. I think that they
> have very cleverly made the text itself to be acceptable in content but
> then to make the "questions" quite literally a "no brainer".
>
>
> I now see why. and Lee hit it right on the head when he said " have,
> and have always had, a problem with any agency that puts sales above
> safety and, in my opinion, PADI corporate has done just that".
>
> I have decided that I will avoid any PADI courses if at all possible.
> In fact I will be traveling in about 10 days and though it's difficult
> have weeded out several PADI facilities.
>
> Sy
>
>
>
>
>
> <aNsPf.2794$s8.1798@bignews7.bellsouth.net>, Lee Bell
> <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Dan Bracuk" wrote
>>
>>
>>>:In other words, it's a quick and certain way to put a card in the hands
>>>of a
>>>:diver. That's a useful tool for you. It's a problem for the
>>>recreational
>>>:diving industry.
>>
>>>And what problem would that be?
>>
>>In his case, where there's planned follow up for a program only intended to
>>provide the card required to proceed, there's no problem.
>>
>>When there is no assurance that there will be further training, just getting
>>a card that says you're certified is not enough to ensure you are safe. You
>>and I both know that there are plenty of divers around whose cards say they
>>are qualified to dive independently, who are not.
>>
>>I have, and have always had, a problem with any agency that puts sales above
>>safety and, in my opinion, PADI corporate has done just that. YMMV.
>>
>>Lee
>>
>>
>
>

But as a diver, not a student, there's a different perspective. If you
avoid PADI, who do you dive with? Now you're not taking classes, but in
those parts of the world where you dive with a group led by a dive
master, what do you know about the DM? Might be very good, might be a
tour guide. At least with PADI you have someone with a certain level of
training. Part of being a PADI dive center is that you hire only PADi
certified staff, so you've got someone who made it thorugh DM.

As for guaranteeing you make it through, I saw a couple of divers wash
out in my PADI OW class and one in my rescue diver.



sytech@yahoo.com wrote:
> In article
>
> I appreciate all the replies to my original posting here.
>
> We can quibble all we want and I realize that there are good divers of
> all schools, but when I originally got my feet wet I heard lots of
> people critical of PADI ("pay and dive instantly"). To reiterate my
> original point, the questions in the PADI Advanced Open Water manual
> were so moronic that it is my opinion that PADI wants to make it a
> virtual certainty that you pass the written test. I think that they
> have very cleverly made the text itself to be acceptable in content but
> then to make the "questions" quite literally a "no brainer".
>
>
> I now see why. and Lee hit it right on the head when he said " have,
> and have always had, a problem with any agency that puts sales above
> safety and, in my opinion, PADI corporate has done just that".
>
> I have decided that I will avoid any PADI courses if at all possible.
> In fact I will be traveling in about 10 days and though it's difficult
> have weeded out several PADI facilities.
>
> Sy
>
>
>
>
>
> <aNsPf.2794$s8.1798@bignews7.bellsouth.net>, Lee Bell
> <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Dan Bracuk" wrote
>>
>>
>>>:In other words, it's a quick and certain way to put a card in the hands
>>>of a
>>>:diver. That's a useful tool for you. It's a problem for the
>>>recreational
>>>:diving industry.
>>
>>>And what problem would that be?
>>
>>In his case, where there's planned follow up for a program only intended to
>>provide the card required to proceed, there's no problem.
>>
>>When there is no assurance that there will be further training, just getting
>>a card that says you're certified is not enough to ensure you are safe. You
>>and I both know that there are plenty of divers around whose cards say they
>>are qualified to dive independently, who are not.
>>
>>I have, and have always had, a problem with any agency that puts sales above
>>safety and, in my opinion, PADI corporate has done just that. YMMV.
>>
>>Lee
>>
>>
>
>

"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:All we can tell, as frequent recreational divers, is how many people we see
:on the boats that we recognize as incompetent. The number is way too high.

I dive for fun, not to assess the other people on the boat.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:All we can tell, as frequent recreational divers, is how many people we see
:on the boats that we recognize as incompetent. The number is way too high.

I dive for fun, not to assess the other people on the boat.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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Matthias Voss <spammat.voss@gmx.de> pounded away at his keyboard
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:> Do you have a reason to believe that a significant number of diving
:> accidents are taking place and being hidden???
:
:Absolutely.

And exactly why do you think that?

Dan Bracuk
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Matthias Voss <spammat.voss@gmx.de> pounded away at his keyboard
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:> Do you have a reason to believe that a significant number of diving
:> accidents are taking place and being hidden???
:
:Absolutely.

And exactly why do you think that?

Dan Bracuk
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"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:I have, and have always had, a problem with any agency that puts sales above
:safety and, in my opinion, PADI corporate has done just that. YMMV.

What part of PADI training do you consider unsafe?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:I have, and have always had, a problem with any agency that puts sales above
:safety and, in my opinion, PADI corporate has done just that. YMMV.

What part of PADI training do you consider unsafe?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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Dr Yak <Dr.Yak@NoSpam.Com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Now you're not taking classes, but in
:those parts of the world where you dive with a group led by a dive
:master, what do you know about the DM? Might be very good, might be a
:tour guide.

What's wrong with dm's that are tour guides and nothing else?

Dan Bracuk
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Dr Yak <Dr.Yak@NoSpam.Com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:Now you're not taking classes, but in
:those parts of the world where you dive with a group led by a dive
:master, what do you know about the DM? Might be very good, might be a
:tour guide.

What's wrong with dm's that are tour guides and nothing else?

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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