Dive newbie who is an oldie

chilly wrote:
>> "George Cathcart" <george.cathcart@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:52cf29f8-60ae-4f5d-8d75-153997c8f4d8@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> By the way George (off topic for this thread), did you hear about the deaths
> of the cow-nosed rays up here at the Calgary Zoo?
>
>

People playing kissy-kissy with wild animals again? Doing stupid stuff
is supposed to be expensive and painful, but not for the animals.

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On May 16, 6:30*am, Jer <gd...@airmail.ten> wrote:
> chilly wrote:
> >> "George Cathcart" <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:52cf29f8-60ae-4f5d-8d75-153997c8f4d8@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com....
>
> > By the way George (off topic for this thread), did you hear about the deaths
> > of the cow-nosed rays up here at the Calgary Zoo?
>
> People playing kissy-kissy with wild animals again? *Doing stupid stuff
> is supposed to be expensive and painful, but not for the animals.

They're not wild animals if they're in a zoo. For instance, the
spotted eagle ray in the Maui Aquarium that I played kissy-kissy with
last year was raised in captivity. It's no more wild than I am,
perhaps even less so.

And I've seen plenty of animals, both wild and domestic, do stupid
things that looked painful.

Greg Mossman wrote:
> On May 16, 6:30 am, Jer <gd...@airmail.ten> wrote:
>> chilly wrote:
>>>> "George Cathcart" <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:52cf29f8-60ae-4f5d-8d75-153997c8f4d8@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>> By the way George (off topic for this thread), did you hear about the deaths
>>> of the cow-nosed rays up here at the Calgary Zoo?
>> People playing kissy-kissy with wild animals again? Doing stupid stuff
>> is supposed to be expensive and painful, but not for the animals.
>
> They're not wild animals if they're in a zoo.

So, for all you're concerned, just shove 'em all in a cage and that's
that? Who are you really...? Borg?

> For instance, the
> spotted eagle ray in the Maui Aquarium that I played kissy-kissy with
> last year was raised in captivity. It's no more wild than I am,
> perhaps even less so.

I don't care how they were raised - you were intended to be
domesticated, the eagle ray wasn't. You know how I know? It won't
fetch coffee like you do.


>
> And I've seen plenty of animals, both wild and domestic, do stupid
> things that looked painful.

So have I. Is this intended to make it look like something other than
it is?


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jer
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On May 16, 1:05*pm, Jer <gd...@airmail.ten> wrote:
> Greg Mossman wrote:
> > On May 16, 6:30 am, Jer <gd...@airmail.ten> wrote:
> >> chilly wrote:
> >>>> "George Cathcart" <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:52cf29f8-60ae-4f5d-8d75-153997c8f4d8@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com....
> >>> By the way George (off topic for this thread), did you hear about the deaths
> >>> of the cow-nosed rays up here at the Calgary Zoo?
> >> People playing kissy-kissy with wild animals again? *Doing stupid stuff
> >> is supposed to be expensive and painful, but not for the animals.
>
> > They're not wild animals if they're in a zoo. *
>
> So, for all you're concerned, just shove 'em all in a cage and that's
> that? *Who are you really...? *Borg?

We do that with plenty of people who violate our social norms. Why
not animals too?

> > For instance, the
> > spotted eagle ray in the Maui Aquarium that I played kissy-kissy with
> > last year was raised in captivity. *It's no more wild than I am,
> > perhaps even less so.
>
> I don't care how they were raised - you were intended to be
> domesticated, the eagle ray wasn't. *You know how I know? *It won't
> fetch coffee like you do.

Eagle rays would probably have trouble fetching coffee, but I bet you
could train them to fetch a newspaper. If only I could train my
paperboy to throw the paper in the pool, I'd have a working system.
Sure, the paper might get wet, but it beats diluted coffee.

On the other hand, you could probably train a chimpanzee to serve
coffee as easily as you could train a stone-age New Guinean. People
can get pretty wild too when you take away their civilization, the
same way that many "wild" animals can seem pretty domestic when raised
in captivity.

> So have I. *Is this intended to make it look like something other than
> it is?

You seem to claim that only humans do stupid things, placing wild
animals on a pedestal. Most wild animals are ruthless evil killers by
nature. By taming them, we impart our good ethics to them, ensuring
them a place in heaven.