Monterey Bay trip report

> What policies ever failed more than Bush's?

Bush's policies didn't fail. The policies that failed came from the Carter
and Clinton administrations. Bush's failure was in not acting on them early
enough to do any good.

> Bush is the worst president in my lifetime by a whopping margin using any
> standard.

Unfortunately, he's the worst by my standards as well, but he's still better
than Kerry would have been.

> The dumb asses that voted for him must be real proud of themselves.

Well, you have your chance to do better. Let me know how Barak turns out in
four years. By the way, did you hear him back peddling in his acceptance
speech? He's not even President yet and he's already making excuses for his
failure.

Lee

"Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:S41Uk.66285$De7.31714@bignews7.bellsouth.net. ..
>> What policies ever failed more than Bush's?
>
> Bush's policies didn't fail. The policies that failed came from the Carter
> and Clinton administrations. Bush's failure was in not acting on them
> early enough to do any good.
>
>> Bush is the worst president in my lifetime by a whopping margin using any
>> standard.
>
> Unfortunately, he's the worst by my standards as well, but he's still
> better than Kerry would have been.

Heck, I'd still place Carter as the worst. After all, based on what you
said, above, Cartter's policies are still causing problems, and that's 27 to
31 years ago.

Dennis

Dennis (Icarus) wrote:
> "Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:S41Uk.66285$De7.31714@bignews7.bellsouth.net. ..
>>> What policies ever failed more than Bush's?
>>
>> Bush's policies didn't fail. The policies that failed came from the
>> Carter and Clinton administrations. Bush's failure was in not acting
>> on them early enough to do any good.
>>
>>> Bush is the worst president in my lifetime by a whopping margin using
>>> any standard.
>>
>> Unfortunately, he's the worst by my standards as well, but he's still
>> better than Kerry would have been.
>
> Heck, I'd still place Carter as the worst. After all, based on what you
> said, above, Cartter's policies are still causing problems, and that's
> 27 to 31 years ago.
>

Name a few don't be shy. I just love how you spout empty rhetoric.





> Dennis

> Heck, I'd still place Carter as the worst. After all, based on what you
> said, above, Cartter's policies are still causing problems, and that's 27
> to 31 years ago.

You have a point, but Carter's policies are not responsible for gas prices.
It was not all that long ago that we were prosecuting gas stations for
gouging when they raised prices to $1.00 per gallon after a hurricane. Now
we think it's cheap at $2.25.

Carter's policies also did not give a liar like BO the leverage he needed to
beat McCain and Palin. BO's money was the gun. Bush provided the ammunition.

Lee

On Nov 16, 12:09*pm, Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> wrote:
> On Nov 15, 1:59*pm, aquadiver <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 15, 11:36*am, Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 14, 11:04*pm, Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 14, 9:36*pm, aquadiver <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Many thanks for the list, Greg. The only thing that looks incomplete
> > > > > to me is the nudibranch, which I'm pretty sure is a sea lemon. I've
> > > > > added all these IDs to the photos as captions. I really appreciate the
> > > > > work you put into it. And now I won't have *to borrow a book from
> > > > > someone I didn't want to have to borrow a book from...
>
> > > > If I'm sure of anything, I'm sure of my nudi IDs.
>
> > > > Here's a pic of a sea lemon, Anisdoris nobilis, second from the
> > > > bottom:
>
> > > >http://diver.net/bbs/posts002/75818.shtml
>
> > > I did more research and I'm still sure of it. *Every sea lemon has
> > > distinct black spots and white gills. *Here's some more pics:
>
> > >http://www.ecology.org/ecophoto/inve...tp://www.mbaya....
>
> > > (The last site is Scott's lousy photographer buddy)
>
> > > Of course the best way to ID it is to smell it. *Did you smell it?
>
> > > Sea lemons, according to some sites, grow to around 6". *According to
> > > Scott's buddy, they grow to 10", but then I bet he tells that to all
> > > the ladies.
>
> > > Your little fella, no offense, was only a couple inches at most, since
> > > I know how big the surrounding corynactic anemones get. *Not very. *So
> > > even if your guy was somehow a variant with no black spots and
> > > retracted white gills, he's too small. *Sorry.
>
> > > Now here are some Aldisa pics. *They are usually oranger than your
> > > yella fella, but then Sea Lemons have orange variants, so why not a
> > > yellow Aldisa? *The last photo is of one as yellow as yours.
>
> > >http://www.nudipixel.net/photo/00002...shaw.ca/scubad....
>
> > > Of course yours (as well as the last photo above) lacks the "blood
> > > spots" that make it the "Blood Spot Dorid", but according to the
> > > photographer in that last photo, young specimens don't have their
> > > spots developed yet. *Of course that could also mean you have a young
> > > sea lemon too. *Who knows?
>
> > > Here's another candidate, Doris montereyensis. *It has black spots,
> > > but yellow gills, *Could yours be one of those?
>
> > >http://www.metridium.com/monterey/nu...rchidoris.html
>
> > > Or you could list it with question marks as this guy did who had a pic
> > > of something remarkably similar to yours, apparently concluding the
> > > same as me but with less certainty:
>
> > >http://www.baue.org/images/galleries..._080719/DSC_05....
>
> > > Or it's an entirely new species, in which case you should go back and
> > > obtain two specimens so you can have it affirmatively ID'd as
> > > Georgedoris montereyensis.
>
> > > Next time George, please take pictures of identifiable nudis and save
> > > all of us a lot of trouble!
>
> > I can't argue it. I've captioned it as Aldisa sanguinea. My
> > identification was based on the *photo in the Lonely Planet guide to
> > diving in Monterey Bay, not exactly a definitive ID book. And that
> > photo also shows distinct black spots. I thought maybe they were just
> > dirt, but on further review, probably not. On the other hand, I like
> > the idea of it being a whole new species, but I'll call it Obamadoris
> > californicus.
>
> I'd rather not associate Obama with anything yellow. *Yellow is the
> color of cowardice, the color of those who went AWOL during the
> Vietnam War yet had no problem sending thousands of Americans to die
> in a war of corporate greed. *It's also the color sharks rumoredly
> favor. *Maybe this one should be named after our dearly departing
> court-appointed President instead. *"Slimy bushadoris"?

Okay. That's even better. Much better.

gc

Lee Bell wrote:
>> What policies ever failed more than Bush's?
>
> Bush's policies didn't fail. The policies that failed came from the Carter
> and Clinton administrations. Bush's failure was in not acting on them early
> enough to do any good.
>

You have got to be kidding! Where in gods name do you get your
information. You don't realize that it was reagan who put us in this
mess? Ever heard of trickle down (or as rep. opponent in the primaries
G. Bush Sr. said "voodoo economics") economics and deregulating gov?

Where do you get your news? It sure is tainted.





>> Bush is the worst president in my lifetime by a whopping margin using any
>> standard.
>
> Unfortunately, he's the worst by my standards as well, but he's still better
> than Kerry would have been.
>
>> The dumb asses that voted for him must be real proud of themselves.
>
> Well, you have your chance to do better. Let me know how Barak turns out in
> four years. By the way, did you hear him back peddling in his acceptance
> speech? He's not even President yet and he's already making excuses for his
> failure.
>
> Lee
>
>

"Bill Fright" <billfright@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:gfqrf2$fmh$1@aioe.org...
> Lee Bell wrote:
>>> What policies ever failed more than Bush's?
>>
>> Bush's policies didn't fail. The policies that failed came from the
>> Carter and Clinton administrations. Bush's failure was in not acting on
>> them early enough to do any good.
>>
>
> You have got to be kidding! Where in gods name do you get your
> information. You don't realize that it was reagan who put us in this mess?
> Ever heard of trickle down (or as rep. opponent in the primaries G. Bush
> Sr. said "voodoo economics") economics and deregulating gov?
>

Not quite.
You may want to look at this. Follow the references if you don't like
wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae
Early warnings
Pay particular attention to thosde who were advocating refrms of Fannie &
Freddie, and which opposed.

Perhaps you'll find the New York times satisfactory?
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/ref...credit_crisis/

Dennis

On Nov 16, 8:15*am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
wrote:

> So you're not questioning the premise that Obama is a communist, or at least
> a socialist?

Why aren't you questioning the fact that Bush is a socialist by
agreeing to bail out and buy up our banks?!

On Nov 14, 8:52*am, aquadiver <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Got in three days of diving in and around Monterey Bay prior to a
> business meeting in Monterey two weeks ago. It was my second chance to
> dive in the Bay, and this time was a lot more comfortable thanks to my
> new dry suit. Water temperature was 55 F.
>
> A group of us chartered the Cypress Sea on Friday and Saturday. Nice
> boat, well-run operation. I recommend it highly. For those diving wet,
> there's a hot water hose on the dive deck to warm up between dives,
> and the cabin is heated. They provide hot soup, coffee, hot chocolate,
> and after the last dive they break out the Oreos.
>
> First day we dove in the Bay, at Ball Buster and Eric's Pinnacle. Ball
> Buster was fairly deep (I reached 105 feet) with nice rocks and a lot
> of invertebrates, especially metridium. Nudibranchs, stars, snails
> were everywhere, but no kelp at that site. At Eric's Pinnacle, we were
> in kelp, with all the critters except metridium.Viz was very good,
> about 40 feet, in spite of cloudy skies.
>
> Next day we went out of the Bay and headed south into the wind, rain
> and big swells to dive at Monastery and Lobo Wall in protected Carmel
> Bay. Viz was still good, in spite of the swells, and we had a couple
> of fine dives in thick kelp. I have been astonished on all of my dives
> in California this year and last at how colorful it is, easily as
> colorful as the best Caribbean reefs I've seen. And the kelp adds a
> graceful extra dimension *to the landscape. We had a harbor seal come
> down and check us out at a distance, but only for a very short time,
> so I didn't get any pictures of it.
>
> I did get some other photos, though, which you can see at:http://picasaweb.google.com/george.c...ntereyBay2008#. Love
> those anemones!
>
> The third day, a few of us had reservations to dive in Whalers Cove at
> Point Lobos State Reserve. The storm that had started the day before
> peaked overnight, and while skies had cleared on Sunday morning, the
> water was cloudy and there was a lot of surge, so diving was not as
> good as the previous two days. But I can't wait to go back. I would
> love to see Whaler's Cove at its best. It's a gorgeous site.
>
> Now that I'm diving dry and getting comfortable in a dry suit, I'm
> looking forward to more West Coast diving. No trips planned until next
> fall, but I might have to try to sneak out there again sooner.
>
> And just so this post doesn't go completely off topic, it was nice to
> celebrate the election two days later in a state that was almost as
> excited as my family and friends back in Maryland. :)
>
> gc

As always, great shots there! If you wanna forego diving and do some
playing in a Mustang suit this winter, you're welcome. I'm sure we
can find a swiftwater trek to amuse you, complete with cross carry
catch-lines and all.

On Nov 17, 4:18*pm, hierophantf...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 14, 8:52*am, aquadiver <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Got in three days of diving in and around Monterey Bay prior to a
> > business meeting in Monterey two weeks ago. It was my second chance to
> > dive in the Bay, and this time was a lot more comfortable thanks to my
> > new dry suit. Water temperature was 55 F.
>
> > A group of us chartered the Cypress Sea on Friday and Saturday. Nice
> > boat, well-run operation. I recommend it highly. For those diving wet,
> > there's a hot water hose on the dive deck to warm up between dives,
> > and the cabin is heated. They provide hot soup, coffee, hot chocolate,
> > and after the last dive they break out the Oreos.
>
> > First day we dove in the Bay, at Ball Buster and Eric's Pinnacle. Ball
> > Buster was fairly deep (I reached 105 feet) with nice rocks and a lot
> > of invertebrates, especially metridium. Nudibranchs, stars, snails
> > were everywhere, but no kelp at that site. At Eric's Pinnacle, we were
> > in kelp, with all the critters except metridium.Viz was very good,
> > about 40 feet, in spite of cloudy skies.
>
> > Next day we went out of the Bay and headed south into the wind, rain
> > and big swells to dive at Monastery and Lobo Wall in protected Carmel
> > Bay. Viz was still good, in spite of the swells, and we had a couple
> > of fine dives in thick kelp. I have been astonished on all of my dives
> > in California this year and last at how colorful it is, easily as
> > colorful as the best Caribbean reefs I've seen. And the kelp adds a
> > graceful extra dimension *to the landscape. We had a harbor seal come
> > down and check us out at a distance, but only for a very short time,
> > so I didn't get any pictures of it.
>
> > I did get some other photos, though, which you can see at:http://picasaweb.google.com/george.c...ntereyBay2008#. Love
> > those anemones!
>
> > The third day, a few of us had reservations to dive in Whalers Cove at
> > Point Lobos State Reserve. The storm that had started the day before
> > peaked overnight, and while skies had cleared on Sunday morning, the
> > water was cloudy and there was a lot of surge, so diving was not as
> > good as the previous two days. But I can't wait to go back. I would
> > love to see Whaler's Cove at its best. It's a gorgeous site.
>
> > Now that I'm diving dry and getting comfortable in a dry suit, I'm
> > looking forward to more West Coast diving. No trips planned until next
> > fall, but I might have to try to sneak out there again sooner.
>
> > And just so this post doesn't go completely off topic, it was nice to
> > celebrate the election two days later in a state that was almost as
> > excited as my family and friends back in Maryland. :)
>
> > gc
>
> As always, *great shots there! *If you wanna forego diving and do some
> playing in a Mustang suit this winter, you're welcome. *I'm sure we
> can find a swiftwater trek to amuse you, complete with cross carry
> catch-lines and all.

Thanks Hiero. I don't want to forego diving. I'd rather go diving in
my White's Fusion suit. Want to go chop ice with me in the St.
Lawrence River?

gc