Travelling w/ a dive knife.

de Valois wrote:
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> Robert left this mess on Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:35:22 GMT for The Way to clean up:
> >
> >
> >
> >"Michael (Mike) Digby" wrote another novel puzzler:
> >>
> >>Any problems w/ international travelling w/ a dive knife, if it's in my checked
> >>in luggage?
> >
> >There is an carry-on exception for "tools (including cutting
> >instruments, pry bars and kitchen related equipment) that are used
> >primarily in the pursuit of sport (as defined as/by having a National
> >Governing Body". (TSA# 2002-345-a)
> >
> >Therein lies the problem. Golf has the PGA so you can carry a Mashie
> >Niblick. Skiing has the USSA so ski poles are fine. There is the
> >National Rifle Association, so anything that will fit in the overhead
> >compartment is okydoke.
> >
> >In that SCUBA has no "National Governing Body" other than P.A.D.I., and
> >they have issued no clear cut guidelines, I'm afraid you're going to
> >have to secrete the dive knife "within your person" if you catch my
> >drift. Just be careful and go with the blunt tip types.
> >
> >
> >> I assume carrying it in my shoe ( thats a joke NSA/TSA) is out.
> >
> >My greatest disappointment was that a female has not attempted to
> >carry-on a restricted device in her panties.
> >
> >Then, if current standards were applicable, we would know that no female
> >passenger would be wearing any.
> >
> >
>
> Some women's panties ARE restricted devices...

"Space panties",
for the gal who thinks her ass is out of this world.

>
> Tao te Carl
>
> "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

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Mike A wrote:

> It will go in checked luggage ok - where are you going? Some dive areas
> don't allow knives anymore (along with dive gloves). No cruise ship will
> allow you to keep it while on board. We quit taking our knives - just not
> worth it for a device I've never NEEDED in 500+ dives. Tank banging doesn't
> count - we now take "tank bangers".
> Mike
>
>
>
I recently did a cruise (RC) no problem with knife with my scuba gear and in my room.

As was stated more and more places will not allow them (knives) or
gloves. The no gloves cause me a problem in GC. My first dive I used
the line to go down (usually have a problem with left ear clearing)
some kind of growth on the rope and hand broke out in rask and blisters.

"Joe English" <joeenglish@accessus.net> wrote in message
news:3F2A5676.4060305@accessus.net...
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> Mike A wrote:
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> >
> >
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> I recently did a cruise (RC) no problem with knife with my scuba gear and
in my room.
>
>

I took mine on a cruise last year. Got on in Miami...no problems. Got off
in Belize...no problems. Got back on in Belize...no problems. Got off in
Key West...no problems. Went to get back on in Key West...They confiscated
it! Go figure!

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:35:22 GMT, Robert \"Doc\" Adelman
<lawyers-guns-money@att.net> wrote:

>There is an carry-on exception for "tools (including cutting
>instruments, pry bars and kitchen related equipment) that are used
>primarily in the pursuit of sport (as defined as/by having a National
>Governing Body". (TSA# 2002-345-a)

Are you always this full of shit? We should create rec.scuba.diarrhea
as a newsgroup to catch this constant stream of lame attempts at wit
demonstration.

On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can
imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but
gloves?

Greg Conquest

>Therein lies the problem. Golf has the PGA so you can carry a Mashie
>Niblick. Skiing has the USSA so ski poles are fine. There is the
>National Rifle Association, so anything that will fit in the overhead
>compartment is okydoke.
>
>In that SCUBA has no "National Governing Body" other than P.A.D.I., and
>they have issued no clear cut guidelines, I'm afraid you're going to
>have to secrete the dive knife "within your person" if you catch my
>drift. Just be careful and go with the blunt tip types.
>
>
>> I assume carrying it in my shoe ( thats a joke NSA/TSA) is out.
>
>My greatest disappointment was that a female has not attempted to
>carry-on a restricted device in her panties.
>
>Then, if current standards were applicable, we would know that no female
>passenger would be wearing any.
>
>
>> Recommendations, experiences appreciated?
>> Thanks Mike D
>
>On new, novel, and never before heard puzzlers such as you pose, it
>would be uselesss to click on http://groups.google.com/ and search with
>key words such as "scuba knife airline".
>
>Otherwise, just use your noggin.



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Greg Mossman left this mess on Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:39:00 -0700 for The Way to
clean up:
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>"Greg Conquest" <http://gregconquest.com> wrote in message
>news:fju9jvoe0iamu3mf0uqc082548ntne5ejc@4ax.com.. .
>
>> Are you always this full of shit? We should create rec.scuba.diarrhea
>> as a newsgroup to catch this constant stream of lame attempts at wit
>> demonstration.
>
>Or better yet, rec.scuba.travellingwithadiveknife to catch the constant
>stream of the same question asked week after week after week.
>
>> On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can
>> imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but
>> gloves?
>
>A few areas ban them. The marine park in Cozumel is one example. Or a
>voluntary association such as that "governing" Grand Cayman operators may
>prohibit them. When I dove with Ocean Frontiers last month, I was told I
>couldn't wear my gloves because "it was a law".
>
>The reason, supposedly, is that divers will be more afraid to touch coral
>and other marine life without gloves. Apparently they feel that a bunch of
>newbies who would otherwise be hanging onto coral, will suddenly develop
>good buoyancy control by banning gloves and they'll never touch anything
>with bare hands, let alone kick the coral with their fins. It's the fins
>they should really ban, but that probably won't take effect for another
>couple years.

Negative reinforcement, Greg. You touch coral, you cut your hands, you stop
touching coral. Ya would think there would be a better system...

Tao te Carl

"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

"Greg Conquest" <http://gregconquest.com> wrote in message
news:fju9jvoe0iamu3mf0uqc082548ntne5ejc@4ax.com...

> Are you always this full of shit? We should create rec.scuba.diarrhea
> as a newsgroup to catch this constant stream of lame attempts at wit
> demonstration.

Or better yet, rec.scuba.travellingwithadiveknife to catch the constant
stream of the same question asked week after week after week.

> On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can
> imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but
> gloves?

A few areas ban them. The marine park in Cozumel is one example. Or a
voluntary association such as that "governing" Grand Cayman operators may
prohibit them. When I dove with Ocean Frontiers last month, I was told I
couldn't wear my gloves because "it was a law".

The reason, supposedly, is that divers will be more afraid to touch coral
and other marine life without gloves. Apparently they feel that a bunch of
newbies who would otherwise be hanging onto coral, will suddenly develop
good buoyancy control by banning gloves and they'll never touch anything
with bare hands, let alone kick the coral with their fins. It's the fins
they should really ban, but that probably won't take effect for another
couple years.

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:39:00 -0700, "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com>
wrote:

>> On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can
>> imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but
>> gloves?
>
>A few areas ban them. The marine park in Cozumel is one example. Or a
>voluntary association such as that "governing" Grand Cayman operators may
>prohibit them. When I dove with Ocean Frontiers last month, I was told I
>couldn't wear my gloves because "it was a law".
>
>The reason, supposedly, is that divers will be more afraid to touch coral
>and other marine life without gloves. Apparently they feel that a bunch of
>newbies who would otherwise be hanging onto coral, will suddenly develop
>good buoyancy control by banning gloves and they'll never touch anything
>with bare hands, let alone kick the coral with their fins. It's the fins
>they should really ban, but that probably won't take effect for another
>couple years.

Sounds overboard and likely to be ditched and forgotten as
ineffective, but I'm only guessing. Gives me something to ask before I
make my next booking.

Greg Conquest, in another humorless posting


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de Valois <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote:
>
> Greg Conquest left this mess on Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:14:46 +0900 for The Way to
> clean up:

> >On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can
> >imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but
> >gloves?
>
> Reef damage. People grab things. Without gloves, they don't grab reefs.


More accurately, lowest common denominator damage. Stupid people grab
things that will damage both themselves and the things.


-hh

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Greg Conquest" <http://gregconquest.com> wrote in message

>>On another note, why would there be restrictions on dive gloves? I can
>>imagine why some operators would want to prohibit dive knives, but
>>gloves?
>
>
> A few areas ban them. The marine park in Cozumel is one example.


I wear gloves when diving in Coz and have been for many, many years.
In fact, I can't recall ever diving sans gloves anywhere.

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:01:02 +0900, Greg Conquest
<http://gregconquest.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:39:00 -0700, "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com>
>>The reason, supposedly, is that divers will be more afraid to touch coral
>>and other marine life without gloves. Apparently they feel that a bunch of
>>newbies who would otherwise be hanging onto coral, will suddenly develop
>>good buoyancy control by banning gloves and they'll never touch anything
>>with bare hands, let alone kick the coral with their fins. It's the fins
>>they should really ban, but that probably won't take effect for another
>>couple years.
>
>Sounds overboard and likely to be ditched and forgotten as
>ineffective, but I'm only guessing. Gives me something to ask before I
>make my next booking.
>
It's actually very effective at stopping people touching things. They
have to get bouyancy correct, and can no longer crawl across the
bottom.

Pete S.